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The Pan Arab Intifada and the return of the Kalifa
08/02/2011 06:07:50 Aron

Regarding the uprising in Egypt if we study and surmise we should suspect a monumental Intelligence failure to pick it up the rumblings on Arab regimes' floors.

It later got confirmed when Obama was shouting across the table -as to how this could happen under NSA's nose? We could guess this 'Failure of Intelligence' was much more serious than failure to act upon 9/11 inputs. This could not have happened unless the very same Systemic failures are continuing. Or more plausible an explanation- some such Mole or Double Agent who stopped or intercepted the Incoming Data.

For this to happen-

The Mole must be placed higher up the Intelligence Lymphatic System at a Node.
That gets all the feedback on ground regarding Islamists.Since the Islamist Target terrain is so wide spread, it should necessarily be quite high up the Node, and situated where all Intelligence inputs that come from a very wide area of all Middle East and North Africa, and correlated Muslim regional CIA stations.

Also, since it is easier to 'GIVE A SPIN' to the Intelligence gathered, than adulterate and corrupt the Inputs themselves that would be very easy to detect and indeed near to impossible- since the Counter Intelligence would be monitoring that-

We are left with only just one possibility-

Someone who is on the Analytical section of the American as well as Allied Intelligence Agency is heavily compromised and is infecting to this every minute undetected. If he is just a Mole by now we would hear of a string of arrests or quiet exits. So, it clearly shows there is a Spin Doctor at work who is a Mole.

Why?

It is impossible to fail to pick up this Pan Arab Intifada. Because an Uprising to this scale is simply impossible, to have not been picked up by the Autocratic regimes’ own intelligence units. And this one main closely watched sector of American Intelligence. So it leaves us with only a very highly placed and highly motivated Mole on the Analytical side of the Intelligence to make sense of this colossal failure.

Now how do we explain the ruthless Autocratic Regimes' Intelligence failure and so wide spread, that all these tin pots would be caught napping, and some startled out of beds and even run packing baggage’s shutting down shops?

For this we need a Pan Arab Collusion within the Intelligence for theAl Qaeda to be put in place first.Had the Qaeda and Brotherhood succeeded in such a feat?

This less probable than the easier- Interception and Spin of Analysis.

It is easier for American Interceptor to not just give a Twist and Spin and misinterpret the Inputs, to Americans on one hand, and while doing this, apply a pressure with regimes that are receiving alarming goings on inside their regimes about an Islamist movement, NOT to move
against them under some pretext as to delay action upon them.

This also explains why regimes that cooperate or could be bullied into doing American directives are now more exposed to this Intifada than ones that are traditionally its foes-

Syria and Libya are least affected while Egypt, Yemen and Jordan and very soon Saudi Arabia are crumbling and beginning to shake.The activists had been bought time, under the pretext of 'let us just wait and watch their moves' instead of acting upon inputs.The very same spin as to meaning of inputs could have sedated action on their side under american instructions and bogey of Human Rights.

Who could this Mole be? And what are his motives?

Firstly this cannot be an Islamist, since that would be very obvious. Though Obama himself playing a double game, and this Pan Arab Intifada being his main objective of Presidency cannot be altogether ruled out.

Less outlandish a possibility would be -

A blue blooded American, with impeccable credentials belonging to the Neo-Con and a seemingly long time Liberal Democrat.

What would be behind him-?

The Vatican!

There need be no great hesitation to a concluison about this- that this the unfolding of a
long drawn out plan of the Vatican aimed at quickening the destruction of the State of Israel.

The near fatal global sex scandal that had lead to a considerable slide in the fortunes of the Catholic Church had been surmised by the Nazi Pope as a Semite Conspiracy-as enough provocation to decide upon this course.

There are two main streams that converge-

The Muslim Brotherhood interprets Caliphate as a Democratic Institution by consensus than by blood line of the Hashemite clan. Democratic change of regimes for the Brotherhood is a step in the direction of Caliphate's return.All useful fools agree and aid this objective including the Vatican that had asked most diabolically its Christian flock to get out into the streets. Inspite of all recent outrageous persecutions and exodus in en masse by Islamists.

Vatican cares not for the flock, but would be glad to have its Faithful as Martyrs to the Church's objective.So we have a Christian Mole, and his lobby at work that had enabled
this Intifada.

The liberals who share similar objective of erosion of Israeli influence, and domination in the region have joined the Party in full attire and mirth.Obama, who’s not beyond suspicion, is going through the motions, hastening this Giant step towards the otherwise Caliphate moon.

This pan-Arab intifada is impossible to be organised at such a simultaneous and vast scale, without one common ground- that of the Mosque sermons. All talk of Internet media, are decoy. For Internet based intifada would not be this Intifada for Democratic change.

It would be Ridda- The en masse Apostasy against Islam.

This is a pan Arab Intifada, for democracy which is now the consensus movement towards the return and re-establishment of the Caliphate of the global Umma. Since it would be for a wise Strategist to take down enemies one after he is done the next, the Vatican is an ally and co-sponsor of this Kilafat movement.

It hopes to Christianise with Apostasy from Islam for which it should be getting ready after the regime changes, in the Democratic battle ground of ideas, where it is convinced of its superiority of Christian doctrine to prevail over Islam.

The failure had been factored in this calculation- which is Islmaists take over Arab lands, and turns hostile and stand to confront the world and the West. But not before encircling Israel or attempting to destroy its existential arch enemy- Israel.

Which would then not be a failure at all, but a win- The return of the global Crusade against the anti Christ for the Holy lands. Israel would either have been wiped out, or stand at the mercy and need of rescue. In a final conflict and fulfilment of Biblical prophecy.

Christiendom and the Muslim world will then stand arranged looking up to the Verdict that would deliver the world.

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Hary Nambiar 21/02/2011 07:16:18	Read what Aaron has been writing. Salim, You were born in India, your children were born in India, you live and wake up every morning in India, you work in India and you eat the food made in the Indian soil, but you look towards the fulfillment of an Islamic Ummah. To that extent you do not hate invading forces or the anti Indian agencies from Pakistan who spread violent, terror and destruction in India. You firmly believe that it is Allah’s orders conveyed through your prophet that non believers of the information plagiarized from texts and scriptures of other religions, but wickedly altered to suit the whims and fancies of a few fanatics who seek to rob hard earned wealth of peaceful communities, should be brutally murdered. In whichever societies live, you have time and again demonstrated that you have no respect for national policies and priorities. You combine your numbers to gain control of decision making in democracies so that you can corner the resources of the community. You multiply your numbers without regard to scarcity of resources in the nation. You spread hatred and violence in the name of God with no regard to the fact that the concept of God and worship of God has been well established in other societies and is in much more philosophically advanced stage. You have no respect, but want to change well established and time tested ideas and institutions of civilized society to ensure peaceful inter personal relationship and coexistence so that the lust, greed and selfishness of a few people are satisfied. No wonder that people are organizing and coming forward to fight the tyranny that has controlled the minds of innocent, honest and hardworking people around the world. Son, suppression of truth and freedom, weather it has been done with the help of political or religious sermons will not go on for ever. 5
Hary Nambiar 21/02/2011 07:07:53	There is lot of truth and wisdom in what Aaron has been writing Salim, I wrote this in response to you and to ignorant people like you. It is not my fault that you cannot afford my life style which is hardly what you have described, but I work hard for whatever resources I draw from societies I interact with. I have so many friends from Middle East and Northern Africa who believe in your religion, but are peaceful people who live respecting laws of the society and the rules of peaceful coexistence. I always have my respect to them. However, I have scant respect for fake patriots like you who wake up every morning, eat the resources of the national soil, but are consistently working for the destruction of the civil society of the nation. Read what Aaron has been writing. There is lot of truth and wisdom in what he has wrote in these pages. Jews and people of other religion are not dhimmies, apes and donkeys. They, especially Jews, have made immense contributions to the well being, progress and prosperity of man kind, but people like you always destroyed and taken advantage of what others have established. Jews have never disturbed peace in any society they interacted with, but people like you always did. They have always peacefully intermingled and integrated with all the societies they have lived, but people like you have always considered different from others and cornered the societies resources 5
Salim 16/02/2011 06:14:58	disagree with Nambiar I completely disagree with your opinion about Indian Muslims, what you are saying no respect for India. We are born in this country, our children are born in this country, on what basis you are making this type of comment. Whats your contribution to your motherland, sitting in a western country in an A/C room having nice car and writing some comments or blogs about ordinary people in India. We wake up daily morning and work here, and we contribute our effort to build, a family, society and a nation. Yours is a divisive concept, that's not going to win over people, especially pluralistic society like India. Please REFRESH your mind. This type of ideologies is one of the reason, Indian people are divided on CAST. 5
aron 15/02/2011 22:21:36	The Keralite Power of Reason and Jinn Science with tonic So this the Right thinking, God gave you which you share with Jinn’s? You are beyond help. No wonder you wish punishment from God to others who don’t share intellectual faculties with Jinns and mog and bog and the boogeymen of Arabia. "And you know well the story of those among you who broke Sabbath. We said to them: "Be apes—despised and hated by all. Thus we made their end a warning to the people of their time and succeeding generation, and an admonition for God-fearing people." Qur'an 2:65 Only Jinns and imbeciles will believe humans were turned into Apes sharing the same level of Reason as Jinns and elfs! As this verse says God turned all Jews who broke Sabath into Apes. We have a problem there- maybe you publish this ‘Reasoning and scientific discovery that Evolution happened in reverse in New Scientist magazine. Who knows you can share the Nobel with your partner and co-scientist Jinn! As for the thief, both male and female, cut off their hands. It is the reward of their own deeds, an exemplary punishment from Allah. Allah is Mighty, Wise." Qur'an 5:38 2. If you are disobedient to your lord, like by partnering his authority with somebody else is a major sin. You are accountable for that action. He can punish you through various means such as humans, natural calamities, disease, difficulties in your life etc or he can forgive you also, that also mentioned in Quran, it’s up to HIM. Nice. Go at once to the prison and chop off beginning with Muslim thieves in prison, their hands, for you have disobeyed this command. Who knows ‘our Lord’ may not forgive as mentioned. Why take chances, go kill and maim for such wonderful Reason you share with Jinns and Apes who were once Jews. 5
Aron 15/02/2011 21:53:25	WHAT IRANIANS THINK OF WHAT I SAY? I had said much the same things here to Iranians at 25Bahiman Facebook page. Want to know what they think of this post here and my analysis-? Last night they voted my Post at allvoices.com to front page landing site. Here is the link and also check 25 Bahman Facebook. Iam flooded with fan letters from Iran and Iranians and Egyptians. I cant post all that as already these lengthy posts are straining my relationship with editorial team, though Iam sorry it couldnt be helped. Also people like Nambiar are advised to stay away from expressing the trash and apology for Islam they crudely attempt. It is passe and they know the truth and you can avoid yourself some embarassement. http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8196442-iranians-defy-long-tyranny-of-ayotollahs-mass-protests-all-over-iran 5
Arton 15/02/2011 21:32:01	Keep counting the fallacies as we expose 3 I had never hidden my thoughts with them. I have spoken about Islam quite openly to their Imams, fellow faculties, Generals, and even one descendant of Ayotollah Khmoneie, an Iraqi. Want to know his conclusion?- Muskrekin? No sir, this- “ my brother you are a very rare soul and your soul is full of light.” This is after we had many times over years had heated arguements about Mohamad and teachings! Iam not boasting but understand for an Imam’s bloodline to say that is very difficult for them, especially when Iam critical and he knows my views. If you say that even in India leave alone in Pakistan, you are a dead man. When news of Saddam Husseins’ sack came the whole Arab town was up in rage. I openly said- “Fe mia mia... Saddam Mush qois, bukkul meshnoon” Only I can talk this at medina square and get away at that time. If you tried they would lynch you. Why? Because they respect love and Truth-speaking and courage. In fact when I left Arab land, I had this sadness which still presses my heart as my second home. If you really love Muslims, help them free themselves from this doctrine of eternal war and hate called Islam. Not pedal your ignorance and cheer up ignorant people who keep them locked in Hate Cults. 5
Arton 15/02/2011 21:19:40	Keep counting the fallacies as we expose 2 Yet, somehow to you “Salim seems to be one of those who correctly understood Islam and the teachings of the Prophet”. What is the use of faculty of our own Heads? Just check your own insincerity when I have quoted only Koran and you keep spinning lies about ‘150 years thereafter Bukari and Ishaq’. Again are you factual? Hadis are 350 years later and Ishaq’s is later rendition of the lost original that was already 150 years old. While Koran must be instant SMS? Did you explain how that too pretty much says the same and the context cannot be known without the latter? 2.Although I have not lived in any Muslim majority country like the gulf countries, I know a lot of people who lived there. Only Indian and Pakistani Muslims don’t respect India Arabs respect no one. Unlike you have lived years among them and Iam fluent in Arabic. They respect one people alone- and I know the reason. Indians. They even name the best daughters Hind. They call the sharpest of swords, a similie for sahrp minds as alhindi. Because subconsciously they yearn for our Pre Islamic glory that is their own ancestors’ glory now they are forced to call Jahiliya or darkness. So when I put things bluntly like it is with me, they respect that. One people Arabs disrespect with contempt are Pakis and Bangladeshis who attempt to ape them. When I decided to come back to India, they all sobbed. I too. Abuteref our Mudir, is tough man. When he hugged me he whispered this to my ears- “you should know that we are losing our brother. You are truly our family” Recently one family sent a Video camera. Every Ramzan one Mulsim family gives me 3 sets of dresses! You think I hate Muslims? I love them more than others because I have received more love from Arabs, Iranians and Muslims. It is because I love them that I want them to use their own heads and read and understand Islam as a Cult of Murder, hate and death. It is ruining them, and ruining us. 5
Arton 15/02/2011 21:09:11	Keep counting the fallacies as we expose 1,2,3 1. I had the privilege of reading the Quran, the Hadith and Sirat Rasul Allah. Salim seems to be one of those who correctly understood Islam and the teachings of the Prophet. Unfortunately, there are few Muslims like him. Glad that we could share ‘your privilege’ and honoured to learn that we’re in fact going to share this fate as well?- Now when ye meet in battle those who disbelieve, then it is smiting of the necks until, when ye have routed them, then making fast of bonds; and afterward either grace or ransom till the war lay down its burdens. That (is the ordinance). And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And if Allah willed He could have punished them (without you) but (thus it is ordained) that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He rendereth not their actions vain. Qur'an 47:4 When it was asked to Ali, (one of the rightly guided caliphs of Islam) about the lack of Bismi in this chapter, Ali replied: “Bismi’s implication is trustworthiness. But this Chapter was revealed with a sword” Tafsir Qurtubi. 8 So, this particular Sura hasn’t left any of the unbelievers untouched. The Sahih (authentic) hadith below from Bukhari clarifies it further: Narrated Said bin Jubair: I asked Ibn Abbas about Surat Al-tauba, and he said, "Surat Al-tauba? It is exposure (of all the evils of the infidels and the hypocrites). And it continued revealing (that the oft-repeated expression): '...and of them ...and of them.'till they started thinking that none would be left unmentioned therein." Sahih Bukhari 6:60:404 Fight those who believe not in Allah or the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. Qur'an 9:29 5
Keralite 15/02/2011 10:13:08	our actions. In Islam accountability is an important concept. We have to be truthful to our lord, Our Lord has given the power to think and act only for Humans and Jinn to do the things right or wrong. If you are disobedient to your lord, like by partnering his authority with somebody else is a major sin. You are accountable for that action. He can punish you through various means such as humans, natural calamities, disease, difficulties in your life etc or he can forgive you also, that also mentioned in Quran, its up to HIM. Time is recording our action, we are responsible for whatever we say/do. One day we will be called upon for deeds and our own hand, tongue will say for us or against us for our action. 5
Hary Nambiar 14/02/2011 11:03:18	Aaron, I have no quarrel with you, but I don't agree with your analysis Sahia and Salim, I enjoyed reading both of your analysis. Although I have not lived in any Muslim majority country like the gulf countries, I know a lot of people who lived there. Only Indian and Pakistani Muslims don’t respect India. Muslims, wherever they are, Arabs and people of Africa are our brothers, which I firmly believe. During my journey I had had opportunities to interact and have conversation with middle aged and senior citizens in plane and also in the waiting area of Airports. My experience with people of Gulf countries and people of Africa has always been cordial and respectful. Recently, I had to sit six hours waiting in the waiting area of Abu Dhabi airport for a connecting flight to the west. I began chatting with a middle aged man, younger than me, sitting across from me. He was wearing a jubba and and the pyjama and had a hat resembling to a Gandhi cap. People in West Africa also traditionally dressed that way. So I asked him his nationality. He told me that he was an Omaanian and that he was wearing the Omaanian national dress. We had cordial, respectful and pleasant conversation for almost six hours. I have always found it the same with Muslims of various countries, be it Indonesia, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, UAE, Nigeria, Sudan, Egypt, Morocco or Maali I had the privilege of reading the Quran, the Hadith and Sirat Rasul Allah. Salim seems to be one of those who correctly understood Islam and the teachings of the Prophet. Unfortunately, there are few Muslims like him. Aaron, I have no quarrel with you because there are quite a few Muslims who believes in the stories written by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham and Sahi Bukhari which came out more than 150 years after the death of the Prophet. 5
Aron 14/02/2011 07:26:53	THE CRATER OF DEEP IMPACT OF LOGIC FOR DHIMMIES 3 Brotherhood is good for our health? Read what they say below- National goal: Islamic world domination – “…the Islamic Ummah [nation]… can regain its power and be liberated and assume its rightful position which was intended by Allah, as the most exalted nation among men , as the leaders of humanity…” – “…know your status, and believe firmly that you are the masters of the world, even if your enemies desire your degradation…” – “It should be known that Jihad and preparation towards Jihad are not only for the purpose of fending-off assaults and attacks of Allah’s enemies from Muslims, but are also for the purpose of realizing the great task of establishing an Islamic state and strengthening the religion and spreading it around the world…” – “…Jihad for Allah is not limited to the specific region of the Islamic countries, since the Muslim homeland is one and is not divided, and the banner of Jihad has already been raised in some of its parts, and it shall continue to be raised, with the help of Allah, until every inch of the land of Islam will be liberated, the State of Islam will be established,…” Jihad is the way by Mustafa Mashhur, who was the official leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt 1996-2002. The book is the fifth volume of his full work called The Laws of Da’wa (Islamic missionary activity). Now Dhimmis, any more questions? Before you come up with endless fallacies of logic,as you certainly will can I expect you will ask yourself why am I pedelling Terror if not for the secret sharing of the very same motives and ideology? Which is why Iam unable to respect these little saints? 5
Aron 14/02/2011 07:23:05	THE CRATER OF DEEP IMPACT OF LOGIC FOR DHIMMIES 2 On Iran- Iran’s active state sponsorship of Middle East terrorist groups is well documented, from terrorist and insurgent groups in Iraq and Afghanistan to Hizballah in Lebanon and Hamas and PIJ in the West Bank and Gaza.... has a nine-digit line item in its budget to support terrorism, sending hundreds of millions of dollars to terrorist groups annually. Illustrating how the support for terrorism is part of an official government policy, Iran has used its state-owned financial institutions to dole out these funds (Matthew Levitt) Have a calculator for nine digit funds for Kashmir and IM and SIMI? Better buy and before that some body bags for your brothers, sisters and kids who are anyway Mushrekin? Taking Hostages” by By Sheikh Faisal Mawlawi, Qaradwi’s deputy at the European Council for Fatwa and Research and leader of the global Muslim Brotherhood in Lebanon. The occasion of the statement appears to be the September 2004 taking of hostages in Beslan Russia by armed Chechen separatists. Dr. Mawlawi opens his statement with the common Muslim Brotherhood accusation of a war against Islam, this time led by the “US pro-Zionism Christian Right” and presenting his view of perpetrators such as the Beslan hostage-takers as “oppressed Muslims” whose “excessive enthusiasm” leads them to commit “impermissible operations”: Many oppressed Muslims battle today against their occupiers, such as in Palestine, Kashmir and Afghanistan. -Taking Hostages” by By Sheikh Faisal Mawlawi, Qaradwi’s deputy at the European Council for Fatwa and Research and leader of the global Muslim Brotherhood in Lebanon Now Salim and Salah, remember Beslan and the slaughter of school kids like it was Bakrid lambs? And the Kashmir referred here? Still nothing to worry? 5
Aron 14/02/2011 07:15:45	THE CRATER OF DEEP IMPACT OF LOGIC FOR DHIMMIES 1 More like a western fear mongering? And you want to sing lullabies more sounding like Brotherhood’s? Internet activists will challenge one of the most autocratic governments in the Arabian region, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal. That is Libya now, being latest where Islamists have spread unrest, even as Salims and salahs tell us no cause to worry. So far so good, but then the date chosen for this is- 17 February was chosen "to commemorate the victims of the Intifada which rose up in Bengasi" in 2006 to protest against the publication of the cartoon image of Prophet Mohammed in Europe, an act that is offensive to the followers of Islam. There are reports that the said date is also known as the "Day of Anger" in Libya. Anger against whom? Could it be mmmh...like we Infidels? What has price rise got to do with Mohammad cartoons? So pray tell us why this date and who is behind this intifada? “ India as such don’t have to worry about the democratisation of Egyptian polity , even after Hamas(which is the Gaza chapter of Muslim brotherhood) took reign there was no palpable change seen in south Asia” Human Rights Watch said in a new report released today. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have over several years launched thousands of rockets at Israeli cities and towns.. 18,000 Rockets were fired! ‘even after Hamas formed government’ or even before? Let US take ‘After’MATHs- On Thursday Hamas pledged that the smuggling from the Sinai Peninsula will continue. Abu Ubeida, Hamas' military wing's spokesman, said that his group will refuse to sign an agreement with Egypt that calls for the cessation of weapon smuggling, "or any other agreement that might undermine the resistance in Palestine." Thats a starter. (Contd on 2) 5
sahya 14/02/2011 03:13:36	Little impact on India More like a western fear mongering. The current revolution in middle east will have little impact on India. Ofcourse the kashmiri pan - islamists (Jamaat e Islami) will try in vain to derive milage out of it. India as such dont have to worry about the democratisation of Egyptian polity , even after Hamas(which is the Gaza chapter of Muslim brotherhood) took reign there was no palpable change seen in south asia . Overall Indian foreign policy on middle east is well balanced for good.Above all what ever plausible for West & US need not be the same for India a classic example is Iran the ruler before the Islamic revolution of 1979 - shah reza pahlavi was a close confident of the west and was a thoroughly seccular autocrat, but it was the same shah who gave pakistan the biggest logistc support during the 1971 Indo-Pak war. While the conservative Islamist regime boldly came forward for collaboration with India on Afghanistan when Taliban captured power there. For what ever reason the advent of democracy in mid east wont turn bad for India, as the autocrats are no way better. The rebellion was triggered by High foodprices , lack of oppertunities etc and not out of a grievance arising out of relegios suppression. 5
Aron 14/02/2011 02:47:17	Brother Salim, sorry Time's theyre a changing Salim our ‘good man’ gives a fine definition of Kafir with Jinn and grease with some snake oil. Let us joyfully consult Islam and confirm the good news- 1. "...Kafir: Literally means "a disbeliever". In Islam it refers to one who rejects Allah and who does not believe in Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as the final messenger of Allah...." - Islamic Glossary 2. ? "...kafir noun (pl=kuffar) 1. (Islam) infidel, Infidel, pagan, non-believer; a non-Muslim aside from ahl al-kitab (Christians, Jews, etc.). 2. (Islam) Infidel, pagan, non-believer; any non-Muslim. Ref: Shaykh Al-Islam ibn Taymiyyah (Rahimullah) v27 p264 No Jinns, no Iblis required though that helps hatred and disrespect of other faiths. Quite clear on this point as who are Wrong Doers- "..and who does not believe in Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam as the final messenger of Allah...." – So worshipping One God wont help you either- And cry not, beside Allah, unto that which cannot profit thee nor hurt thee, for if thou didst so then wert thou of the wrong-doers. Qur'an 10:106 For Salim 80% Hindus are good. Pity that he doesn’t inform what Muslims worshipping the One God are asked to do with them- Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers. Qur'an 9:14 And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter. Qur'an 3:85 Verily those who believe not, among those who have received the scriptures, and among the idolaters, [shall be cast] into the fire of hell, to remain therein [for ever]. These are the worst of creatures. Qur'an 98:6 No plea had they, when Our terror came unto them, save that they said: Lo! We were wrong-doers. Qur'an 7:5 We were fools in 1947. Time's theyre changin.. sorry we cant be that good as fools. 5
Salim 13/02/2011 20:06:17	Hello All Why all are worried about something happened in Egypt that has no significance in India, especially in India where we have a strong base for democracy, and Hindus are over 80%. About fellow Hindus, I have a good respect for Hindus. Let me say something about Islam, Allah says in Quran, We created men (men/women) and Jinn ONLY FOR WORSHIP. Core concept is ONENESS in God or Allah. There is only ONE GOD. There is no plurality for God. Who is men, we all human beings are men. Who is Jinn, they are a creation which invisible to us and they can us. Where do Jinn live, they live around us, the most important thing about Jinn is they can get into human body and perform miracles. Some times we see around this kind of things around us. There are so many occasions Quran mention about Jinn. When theses people do miracles they become human GOD. What is the end result, people like us, who are inferior, financially or socially or physically, think they are God or image of God, try to approach them for our well being. Thats called disbelief, and the people who are following those things are called Kafirs, which can include anybody. (Shaitan in arabic or Chekuthan) is one of Jinn, Iblis is one of Jinn determined to distroy the human being. Nambiar, i have followed your comments before too, you seems to be a good man. There is only ONE GOD to be worshiped. Attain peach by reaching HIM. 5
Salim 13/02/2011 19:37:42	Hello All Why all are worried about something happened in Egypt that has no significance in India, especially in India where we have a strong base for democracy, and Hindus are over 80%. About fellow hindus, I have a good respect for Hindus. Let me say something about Islam, Allah says in Quran, We created men (men/women) and Jinn ONLY FOR WORSHIP. Core concept is ONENESS in God or Allah. There is only ONE GOD. There is no plurality for God. Who is men, we all human beings are men. Who is Jinn, they are a creation which invisible to us and they can us. Where do Jinn live, they live around us, the most important thing about Jinn is they can get into human body and perform miracles. Some times we see around this kind of things around us. There are so many occations Quran mention about Jinn. When theses people do miracles they become human GOD. What is the end result, people like us, who are inferior, financilly or socially or physically, think they are God or image of God, try to approach them for our well being. Thats called disbelief, and the people who are following those things are called Kafirs, which can include anybody. (Shaitan in arabic or Chekuthan) is one of Jinn, Iblis is one of Jinn determined to distroy the human being. Nambiar, i have followed your comments before too, you seems to be a good man. There is only ONE GOD to be worshipped. Attain peach by reaching HIM. 5
Aron 12/02/2011 10:06:16	He is guilty of still being right he says! ha ha 1 I am guilty of not using sophisticated vocabulary. So other than sophisticated words you see nothing wrong in what you stated and still repeat? And since you are unsophisticated by choice “However, I assure Aaron and rest of the readers that a revolution leading to an Islamic Caliphate is highly unlikely” That is the most sophisticated Sophistry! It’s called ‘my hare has three legs”. You don’t answer a single question. You have not pointed out a single counter point I gave in quotes from Mohammad’s’ own words. Yet you can assure me and all readers that ‘it’s highly unlikely’! After Cyrus the Great comes now Hammurabi...Mohammad has conveniently escaped because you couldn’t anymore reassure us with his words. Also educated Muslims now becomes- “I am guilty of not seeing all Muslims as terrorists”. The sophistry is- 1. By which it implies that I do see that way? 2. Another popular ignorance and myth that Jihad requires all Muslims to practise terror? Nope. It’s laid out clearly that all MUST NOT go out for Jihad. It is a collective obligation. Let me ASSURE you- the mark of an educated man is to make his opinions after studying a matter. Not make up his mind beforehand and bend facts and logic. When you started your sermon it was obvious you studied nothing on 1 Islamic doctrines, Mohammad’s Teachings, Jihad, etc 2 And yet ‘assure’ everyone to your near total ignorance on the matter at hand. Instead of your Reassurances, as opinions- kindly provide valid counter points. We also wish the matter was simple that we can risk our lives and nation’s security at our friend Nambiar’s opinions. But we see its based on nothing but his words, and facts I listed are left unaddressed. One thing common I find is this sophisticated Sophistry- not by a millionth chance they would admit the logic. In fact that is what will enable the ‘Kaliphate’ to come, and even before that the doom. 5
Hary Nambiar 11/02/2011 15:15:16	I plead guilty I plead guilty. I am guilty of not being too long. I am guilty of not using sophisticated vocabulary. I am guilty of not seeing all Muslims as terrorists. However, I assure Aaron and rest of the readers that a revolution leading to an Islamic Caliphate is highly unlikely. It is true that madrasa curriculum is highly focused on Sharia which in turn is based on Hamurabi’s law. Although Christians speak of their peaceful Jesus Christ, their curriculum also contains equally violent contents. Both Judaism and Hinduism are very old and as such their adherents have grown to defy their Mullas and think openly. Christianity and Islam would also reach a stage when their adherents also would do the same. A beginning of such a change has already taken root in Christianity. 5
Aron 11/02/2011 03:07:03	ATTENTION REGARDING REPLY Ihave replied to nambiars comment. Unfortunately it is very long since he had compressed too many denials. We can ignore, but the points will give a wrong impression as though they are valid. So if you please put them as one piece as coherently answered. I find this again and again, that some people post completely unsubstatiated things and keep posting maintaining myths and false statements. I wonder what is that makes them want Islam and Jihad to win? and keep our people in deep sleep? 5
Aron 11/02/2011 03:06:30	Not the world coming to end but a war to our doors 3 So why are you doing this to your countrymen? Fabricating the image of some Prophet Mohammad that has been wrongly understood, and that blah blah most Muslims don’t respect those words of their Prophet but what you vainly imagine they are up to, and so try to blunt the awareness and alert? Kindly reflect before you post. There may be a few Ben Laden’s and Abdul Nasser Madanis, but the Muslim world has as much educated people who love democracy and peace. Are you suggesting most Jihadis are uneducated or education plays slows down their Jihadi zeal? The last bomb that tore off a baby in Varanasi was kept by a Doctor. The New York Times Square bomber was a financial MBA and had a job offer at Wall Street. Increasingly, Jihadi profile is that of an upwardly mobile rich and highly educated often with westernised finesse-like David Halley. One leader like the Iranian President may want to erase Israel from the world map, but Iranian people are friends of Israel from the time of Cyrus the Great. The problem sir, the nuclear button with brand new Missiles and the Hamas leadership are not with Cyrus the great but our Ahmedenaj and the Ayatollahs. Your own 15% figure alone that support Iranian regime would not suffice to escalate the Terror strikes nor could the rest serve Israeli defence. Simply because end of days are biblical reference the Maoist urban encirclement and the already published pact with ISi backed Kashmiri and Im/SIMI Jihadist will not be a dangerous development that will engulf us? If you post again, don’t make sweeping generalisations and just your own words, else I won’t bother to reply. They are just so much uninformed opinions and claims. Do it with back up of quotes and citations and homework. Starting with, tell us about what you advice and we are eager to learn- Prophet Mohammad’s message of Peace you said Muslims misunderstood, we are waiting. 5
Aron 11/02/2011 03:01:38	Not the world coming to end but a war to our doors 2 3. Quran is unintelligible to even scholars, and not arranged or could be understood without the former texts and the help of mullahs. We only wish Muslims some 2 billion of them agree to turn to you or anything else you suggest. Again problem is Koranic injunctions to kill kafirs, strive for Supremacy of Islam through jihad, not to befriend non-Muslims and so on wont serve the purpose of peace. 4. Those injunctions to do violence with others to help Islam dominate the world are not their own inventions but Mohammad’s own directives. o Infact the more you read and follow Prophet Mohammad, the more chances you will blow up some one, not less. First read Prophet Mohammad’s injunctions about Kafirs that is us and Jews and see if that would help or rather urge them to do what I have said in my post to my fellow countrymen. “In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful, From Mohammad bin Abdulla to Jaifer and Abd Al- Jalandi: “Peace be upon him who follows true guidance; therefore I invite both of you to the Call of Islam. Embrace Islam. Allah has sent me as a Prophet to all His creatures in order that I may instill fear of Allah in the hearts of His disobedient creatures so that there may be left no excuse for those who deny Allah. If you two accept Islam, you will remain in command of your country; but if you refuse my Call, you’ve got to remember that all of your possessions are perishable. My horsemen will appropriate your land, and my Prophethood will assume preponderance over your kingship.” This is what your educated Muslims would read if they take listening to your advice to Mohammad’s words as to what to do with a neighbouring country? The above is the preserved Text of Mohammad’s letter to the neighbouring king. It is not Ibn Ishaq or Buhari, but a priced and valuable document they display and read and know by heart. Do you find anything that will help us yawn and go to watch TV? 5
Aron 11/02/2011 03:01:38	Not the world coming to end but a war to our doors 1 The problem here is your presumptions. 3. The problem in the Muslim world is that only a small percentage of educated Muslims have read and understood the teachings of the Prophet... Can you cite some words for our benefit from such a Prophet Mohammad? That should make for more peace and turning away from Jihad? So we can relax as adviced? Here is my sample piece from Koran itself- Qur’an 9:5)”So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them.” Then you will like Muslim apologetics used to deceive and say- this must be taken out of the context. And where will you go for the context? Ibn Ishaq’s Biography of Mohammad. Or the Traditions universally accepted- Shahi Bukhari and Muslim. Have Muslims rejected these sources? Can you provide us evidence they don’t regard Bukhari’s hadith and Al Siraj as a part of the Holy Canon as a whole? And they don’t have to read them or follow them to understand the koranic injunctions as to how to live their lives? Then you say- .....have not kept up with modern education go by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham and Bukhari. When they read and understand the teachings of the Prophet, they will know the name of the Prophet was Muhammad and not Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham or Bukhari... Ibn Ishaq being the author of Prophet’s biography and Bukhari the and Muslim being the only universally accepted compilations of Prophet Mohammad’s sayings and teachings, will Muslims agree to – 1. Stop turning to mullahs or read or go by what is in these only two sources of Mohammad’s teachings which are the pillars of doctrine of Islam? 2. Assuming they listen to the authority of Nambiar and turn to him, what will you replace their need to follow the Prophet with if not the Hadith and the Al Siraj? 3. Quran is unintelligible to even scholars 5
Hary Nambiar 10/02/2011 15:55:28	The workd is not coming to an end Aaron! It looks like the “world is coming to an end,” Aaron! Is that not exactly what the Bible said? However, I see it differently. There plenty of intelligent, well meaning and secular people on the earth even in Muslim countries. One leader like the Iranian President may want to erase Israel from the world map, but Iranian people are friends of Israel from the time of Cyrus the Great. Less than 15% of the Iranian people support their President on the idea. Let us not be too unreasonable in grading the intelligence of the entire Muslim world. There may be a few Ben Ladens and Abdul Nasser Madanis, but the Muslim world has as much educated people who love democracy and peace. There will definitely be revolutions in all the autocratic countries especially in Muslim countries. It can. However, it will not be to establish Caliphates but to establish peaceful and prosperous democracies. That revolution will take place even in Saudi Arabia one day. It cannot be ruled out in China and in India. India is ripe for such a revolution when some people rise up to the occasion to give leadership. It would not be for religious or political reasons but for bread and drinking water. The problem in the Muslim world is that only a small percentage of educated Muslims have read and understood the teachings of the Prophet. The rest of them are only Muslims for name sake and they go by what the Mullahs tell them. Muslims who have not kept up with modern education go by Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham and Bukhari. When they read and understand the teachings of the Prophet, they will know the name of the Prophet was Muhammad and not Ibn Ishaq, Ibn Hisham or Bukhari. So I don’t agree with Aaron’s idea of an Intifada leading to the establishment of a Caliphate. 5
Aron 10/02/2011 03:43:56	APOCALYPSE NOW The first is my own post on how thousands of Brotherhood and Hamas detainees, many the most dreaded among the terror list simply walked away in a nationwide prison break, aided by the Hamas gun men and how the media had kept silent. IRANIAN LIBERALS EXPOSE THE ISLAMIST HIJACK OF PAN-ARAB POPULAR UNREST http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8132299-iranian-liberals-expose-the-islamist-hijack-of-panarab-popular-unrest Second, one wonders why Hindus cannot get rid of this obsession of seeing CIA and Israel everywhere including the stalled car and a bad weather! Does it make logic that Israel would invite upon her head the Brotherhood next door which had endorsed Hamas Chapter?- This is what it reads- Israel must be wiped out of the map of the world. Most of those prisoners after shoot out sneaked through tunnels and posed for cameras in the Gaza strip where Hamas now runs a new coalition government. To connect conflated things as Sulaiman as interim head with Israeli negotiator reputation and a Brotherhood with Hamas links riding a wave as a Israel/CIA sponsored is logical fallacy. Do you need a Hamas backed coup for removing Mubarak? We created ISI for solving Kashmir? What will happen asks our friend and concludes nothing! This is what we are now moving towards – a Pan Islamic movement that will call for the Popular Front of India which is a Hamas sprout, and the IM/SIMI to openly take to a joint insurrection against the Infidel State and with Kashmir and the Maoist Red corridor as a common base. It’s ridiculous to see what is unfolding as not a clear and present danger for both Israel and India. http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=hsJPK0PIJpH&b=689705&ct=9104285 Key Analysts Speak out on Arab Unrest • Feb. 2 was turning point in Egypt anti-government protests • Iranians and Al-Qaeda could exploit instability to influence Egypt • Israel may have lost a pillar of regional stability 5
sahya 09/02/2011 09:18:11	What will be the end game the cause of the conflict is due to non availablity or the higher price of essential commodities. Even An islamist governemnt could do nothing to solve the same. When a country like Egypt take an Islamic course , one of its high income yielding sector will take a deep hit I mean Tourism. The Islamists wont be able to solve any of the problems which egypt faces today. The realy interguing point is that,one can notice is the US and west's support for a regime change in Egypt. Countries such as China ,Saudi Arabia, Russia wants the regime to survive. The ascendence of the Muslim brotherhood (Al Iqwan) will add up to the propaganda machine of Jamaat e Islami as both are based on idea of pan islamism. I think the real time for US & West to worry will hapen when a country like Yemen move towards anarchy, as this will easily spread to Bahrain and saudi as those countries share similar demgraphic structure. 5
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva 09/02/2011 04:41:17	There may be a point in Shri Aron's article A discussion the other day on CNN IBN's Face the Nation had the topic of whether Islam is uncomfortable with democracy. The head of Jamia Islamia and a professor from JNU both said that Islam had always upheld democracy. This was in the context of whether the Muslim Brotherhood coming to power in Egypt would lead to authoritarian rule. 5
proudestkafir 09/02/2011 03:37:13	Islamic barbarity and asinine hindus and cunning christians The two barbaric,asinine desert religions have contributed to much of the world's miseries.The dead jew on a stick and the rapist rasool have inflicted so much misery on people, that they both will be roasting in hell.The child rapist mohammad will certainly be in hell 5
k.v.raghavan 08/02/2011 22:42:10	May not be correct The article highlights certain points. But main points are not considered. The uprising is with the blessings of USA and Israel. Without the help of Israel this uprising is not possible. Strange but true, for the following reasons. The Intelligence chief of Egypt and the powerful second man of Egypt is the best friend of Israel. He was the one who brokered the peace between Israel and Egypt, as a result, Egypt is maintaining its balance. (Please dont ask balance of what- I think you know). USA is not that much powerful, compared to Israel as far as Egypt is concerned. Israel is not bothered much about Palestine, but more bothered about Egypt. If Egypt is controlled, strategically, then Israel can safeguard its soverignity. Without the knowledge of Intelligence chief of Egypt, again, I stress this uprising would not have happened. What do you think that will happen? Nothing. Hosni Mubarak will have safe passage for Intelligence Chief who is already 72 years of old. Israel will win ultimately. The uprising will go to air as it came. 5
Dr.Vijaya Rajiva 08/02/2011 16:02:36	There may be a point in Shri Aron's article There was a discussion on CNNIBN (Face the Nation, with Sagarika Ghosh). The topic was about Islam not being comfortable with democracy. One of the panelists was from the Jamia Islami and he was quite smooth and almost persuasive. Islam has always had a history of democra cy and so on . . . And the insitution has a number of secular Hindus on its faculty who parrot the same line. The other participant was also from JNU. The less said the better ! 5

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