The New Missionaries of Bharat
11/07/2010 14:23:03  Dr Vijaya Rajiva

In an excellent report by Shri V. Sundaram  Why not the sacred symbol OM on secular Indian Currency ? (HK,08/07/2010) we see once again the phenomenon of old wine in new bottles. The former colonial regime was mainly intent on the exploitation of Bharat’s wealth and labour to feed the industrial revolution and to build Britain’s power both at home and abroad. The colonization was accompanied by  changes imposed on Bharat’s educational and cultural life, one important component being the imposition of English and Western learning. This was the Macaulay project.Alongside of this was the old fashioned Christian propaganda and the concomittant attempt to convert the native population. That this last mentioned project did not fully succeed is a story for another day.

Bharat remains very much a Hindu nation.

The new missionaries led by an Italian Catholic and her acolytes will also not succeed, given both the resilience of Hinduism and the protest that accompanies all of the best laid plans of mice and men(women, in this case !).

Sonia Gandhi took Indian citizenship after 16 years of her marriage with Rajeev Gandhi. She was a reluctant Indian from the start, but circumstances forced her to stay on in India and after her husband’s death, she became the icon of the Congress party which looked for anything to mobilize their sinking political fortunes and who better than the widow of India’s prime minister ?

In time  she became a formidable political entity, running the show from 10 Janpath, and supported by a party that is no longer the inheritor of the once glorious freedom struggle. Sycophants and careerists abound in much greater measure than is good for Bharat’s polity. Her own ambitions surfaced. But after her unsuccessful bid to be the prime minister of the country she settled down for the safer choice, her son.

But it is important to realize something else which, in the opinion of the present writer, has an even more sinister significance. That is her seeming inner determination to carry out what the Pope had announced on his visit to Bharat, the harvesting of Hindu souls for Christ. Her son and daughter may wear the Hindu tilak during election time, but their allegiance is not to Hinduism, and it is also doubtful whether their allegiance is to Bharat either. This is the considered opinion of the present writer.

And they also wear their ‘secularism’ as an insurance, a charming façade, no doubt . . . . .

In the last 12 years or so since Sonia Gandhi’s rise as the eminence grise in the  Congress Party, the fortunes of the Hindus and their cultural and religious centres have come under attack.Readers are familiar with these details as reported diligently by HK.

But timely reminders are useful. And hence Mr. Sundaram’s careful analysis of the move to issue coins with the pictures of Catholic saints and to imprint a dubious symbol  on  Bharat’s currency has come in good time. Hopefully, protests will be launched without delay.

Both measures that Sonia has presumably advocated are not only geared towards the
Assembly polls in Kerala where the Christian community will vote en bloc for Sonia’s
Congress party, but towards the larger goal of the Christianisation of Bharat.

That this project will not succeed, is a forgone conclusion, and if Sonia is wise she will choose one or the other : political power for her son or the harvesting of souls for her religion.

Bharat’s history alone should convince her not to attempt the evangelical task and the
testing of the waters will surely impinge on the other project.

All Bharatiyas should read Mr. Sundaram’s article. In passing, the present writer would like to point out that the story of Thomas the Apostle arriving in Bharat in 52 A.D. has been considered an apocryphal story. It was first put out after the Nicene Council of 325 A.D. and received considerable embellishment by Christian orthodoxy in the succeeding centuries. It was embraced enthusiastically by the colonial government and its hacks.

One amusing example of the writing that created this legend is cited here:


“ It was to a land of dark people he was sent, to clothe them by Baptism in
   white robes. His grateful dawn dispelled India’s painful darkness. It was
   his mission to espouse India to the One-Begotten . . .Thomas is destined
   to baptize peoples perverse and steeped in darkness, and that in the land
   of India”
(Hymns of St.Ephraem, edited by Lamy).

One aspect of this quote is entirely true. Bharat is a land of dark people. The Sanskrit peoples who created the Veda and the legacy of Hinduism were an indigenous people of Bharat. They did not arrive in Bharat from distant lands but had lived on the subcontinent in the prehistoric age.

For the rest, the spectacle of any arrival trying to clothe an ancient civilization in the white robe of baptism is too ludicrous to contemplate. Neverthless, an Italian Catholic is once again on that same ill fated path.

All Bharatiyas must once again unite in defence of the Punya Bhumi as they did since time immemorial and call for the symbol OM to be placed on Bharatiya currency, not some dubious invention of the dubious committee struck for the purpose of placing an identification symbol for the rupee.

Ya Devi sarve bhuteshu . . . . .


VANDE MATARAM !


( The writer is a Political Philosopher who taught at a Canadian university)



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Dr Vijaya Rajiva
22/07/2010 09:29:41
To Shri Oldman, some corrections
The Rig Veda does use the word Vak (Speech) but it is attributed to the Goddess Sarasvati.

The Rig Veda celebrates and calls upon all the deities in the celestial,atmospheric and terrrestrial realms.

Brahman is primarily in the Upanishads. There is Sabda Brahman which is the Sound Brahman.

Then again the great Mahavakya speak about Atman being the same as Brahman.

All this is a far cry from the monotheism of Christianity and Islam. Christianity's Logos is the one unitary principle and is referred to in philosophical literature as pan logism.

Hinduism is pluralistic. Some describe it as pantheistic. Heinrich Zimmer describes it as henotheism and so on.

At any rate, the one Logos is absent from Hinduism. That explains Hinduism's flexibility and tolerance. If Hindus believe that there are an infinite number of deities, that belief comes from the Rig Veda. 5
Sudhakaran
22/07/2010 03:33:12
Not creation but Manifestation.
In Hindu cosmology there is nothing called a new creation.it is not creation,it is manifestation...Manifestation of what was already there in the cuase,in a potential form.Manifestation becomes unavoidable when the activating 'Sattvic' and restricting 'Tamasic' being in a balanced state.That is Leela,Brahmas sankalpa,Narayana the Big bang personified .Indian seers knew about the cosmic event..BIG BANG.
Brahma is big bang itself.
Bra-hma...Bra means To grow big without any limit-it is perhaps the obique reference to the explotion-'Sphota'.But brahman is before and after big bang.According to big bang theory, Before the manifestation,universe existed as a primeval mater in the form of an egg.According to Hindu cosmology it is 'Hridaya Garbha'.Manifestation originated from a cosmic egg is called hridayagarbha.The energy thrust given by the big bang costitutes till date-an ongoing process.And universe withdraw one day again to the hridaya garbha.It is called the Big Crunch.
At the time of Spota Brahman expands outwardly,by the sound of AUM-into galaxies,stars and planets.
One day of Brahma is 4320000000 earthly years. When the Crunch happen, Brahma goes to sleep,till the next big bang.There is no beginning...No end!! In Chirstian creation universe is created only once.But in Indin cosmology universe is manifested countless times....repeatedly,time and time again.Hindu's faith is that universe is created,destroyed and recreated in an eternally repetitive series of cycles.It continuously moves from one mahayugas to the next with each lasting for 4320000000 years!
Hridayagarbha is the seed of manifestation.'Dream of Brahma simply means sankalpa of Brahma.Through the Brahmas sankalpa hridaya garbha undergoes tremendous expansion.All'creations' (Kala) proceeds from AUM !
Brahma is timeless existence..Every thing is his leela,devine play.
There is no 'one account' of manifestation in Hindu cosmology.Puranas contain many stories.The world came into being through the 5
anon
21/07/2010 19:19:16
'om' is ultimate reality
oldman:- the sacred sound 'om' is God in Hinduism - it is the ultimate - does not have beginning or end.....every hindu prayer is dedicated to this ultimate 'om'. everything in the universe stems from 'om'. 'om' is the ultimate reality without beginning or end. 5
Oldman
20/07/2010 22:27:00
BRAHMAN(The Creator)
Rig-Veda: "prajapathi vai agre asset"
IN THE BEGINNING WAS PRAJAPTHI, THE BRAHMAN(The Creator)-THE GOD,
"Tasya Vag dvitiya Aseet"
WITH WHOM WAS THE WORD; "Vag vai parama Brahman"
AND THE WORD WAS VERILY THE SUPREME BRAHMAN - THE GOD.

Hindu theology accepted BRAHMAN is the God creator. isn't it?
My dear Sudhakaran are you a scholar? If not please don't attempt to defame Hindu Scriptures with your half-boil foolishness.
Moreover did you notice the mentioning of PRAJAPTHI the vag(waak)(word!)?
NB: My previous reply has not been published. 5
Sudhakaran
20/07/2010 04:24:49
Resting God
old man says :Undoubtedly God is first.
Ok. 'In the beginning god was there.
'beginning ?
Before beginning who was there..? Satan ?
Bible says 'god created the world' God created the world in six days. and the seventh day(Sunday?) he rested. Since then god is in everlasting rest.For the 'chirstian creation' a hypothesis of god was needed ! and they have discovered a god.
What the Chirstian god was doing before creation ,I dont know.I know one thing ,please dont get annoyed...before creation he was in sound sleep for eternity.Suddenly he wokeup and started creating the world for no special reason,perhaps without any reason at all.what a whimsical God...
and after creation he is in everlasting rest,what a wonderfull God !
But old man,evolution implies that creation is not complete.It is an on going process and it will nevever be completed.
Old man, can't you see the implications..?
If not please listen to me.If world is a created thing then there can't be any evolution.Evolution means creation continues.And evolution is going on.But your Biblical god is in everlasting rest.
So in the beginning thre was god.Now that god is dead !
What to do !! 5
aghor
19/07/2010 16:04:41
Wild asses found in HK and in Hindusthan
Wild asses are found only in India and two of them regularly write in HK. We respect all living beings that’s why lot of Banaila Gadhas in Kach area in India, no where you can find. We have to keep few here in HK blog too. We believe in Santana Dharma teachings, all species should exist. If anyone ask me who is this old man and who is this Don Roger I would say both are same in different name Kazhtha in Malayam, Gadha in Hindi, Kaluthei in Tamil or Gadhada in north Indian colloquial. Viddikal. Sudhakaran, their babblings are okay they will realize the truth. No asshole have brain its duty is to dump excreta. 5
Sudhakaran
18/07/2010 19:00:06
Old Man and his rubbish WORDs
Old Man,let me repeat,Iam not a believer.Iam a man of tremendous trust and faith.
Faith is not belief becuase faith exists without doubt.When you are full of trust and faith,YOU CAN'T BELIEVE ! Belief is half,it is not tottal,it is filled with doubt,it is your repressed doubt.
Belief is so cheap but TRUST is so great,FAITH is so great.
Old man,if you KNOW -there is no need to believe.Understand it,the need for belief comes ONLY WHEN YOU DONT KNOW.
You believe in Chirst.That simply means you dont know chirst.
You can't say 'I believe in Jesus'.If you say so you are a fool.A down to earth fool.
You can say'I have faith in Jesus'
Faith comes from heart-it is not analitical.Belief comes from mind which is analitical.your heart is free from theology but your mind is filled with rubbish theology,your belief is crushed under the weight of it.Drop it and come to the heart.
Somebody asked Arobindo:'do you believe in god?
'NO'was the answer.
'Are you an atheist?
'NO' was the answer.
'Are you creating a puzzle?
'Wait a little' said Arobindo."I dont believe in god becuase I know him'
OLd man,If you believe in chirst you don't know chirst.
I kwnow that you are a believer!
Amen!... What is Amen? It is a distorted or altered form of AUM.On the course of AUM's journey from India to far away lands,a mutation took place.Muslims say AMIN.It is also a distorted forms of AUM.
Every body make use of Hindu Mantras,knowingly or unknowingly.
Deep Silence is an unknown mystery to you.Not to Me.Recite the devine mantra AUM continously for 41 days and you will come to know the meaning of Shanti,deep silence.Amen can't take you beyond the mind becaue it it is a distorted mantra.
There is no space in your mind.It is full of rubbish WORDs collected from "Aesops Fables'or a history book.The Scripture you are holding in your hand is nothing but the records of different minds,not of the actual experiences.It is a book of great contradiction.Throw it in the dust bin and come home 5
Oldman
18/07/2010 10:37:56
Who is first God or the Word
Come on Mr.Sudhakaran. You are calling universe, deep silence and all unknown things to add strength your arguments. Don't you believe Rama or Krishna? So you are also a fool by believing them according to your statement.

>John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was fully God.
John 1:2 The Word was with God in the beginning.......<
***Who is first God or the Word***
Undoubtedly God is first. It is like the useless debate 'What came first - egg or hen'.
The Bible verse above stats that the WORD is with God from the beginning. And furthermore it is not the OM. OM has a definite meaning and I can tell you if nobody disclosed here. 5
Sudhakaran
17/07/2010 17:32:34
Music of the heart of universe
Old man,AUM is the symbol of universal heart beat,it is not a word.When you come closer to the universal heart beat,you will fall in a deeper silence-Shanti.Shanti means silence,It is repeated three times becuase when you start to repeat it for the fourth time,you are no more. Only silence,shanti will be there.Then you are an entity seperate from the universe.
In the bible,The inner world has not been explored.It never went into a deeper communion with heart and the bigger heart of the universe.The Bible says:'In the begining was the word'.But it can be said only by somebody,who is absolutely ingnorant, simply becuase the word means a sound with a meaning.These sounds made by the words are just sounds-you can't call them words.when you start reading 'in the beginning was the word' you have unknowingly accepted that there is someone who gives meaning to it...! but suddenly the word is not in the beginning!!Let us see then what happens..There is somebody who gives meaning to the word.is not it? Suddenly the bible says-"God was with the word".Why this statement?The man who wrote it felt uneasy beuase the world should begin only with a word and suddenly he badly needed somebody to give meaning to it.Hence the second statement.-God was with the word.Old man,now tell me impartially.Who is first God or the Word ?You are in a big fix now.But the man who wrote it,suddenly finds a compromise with a third sentence "God and the word were one".But Hindus can't agree with it.
There is no touch with the heart beat of universe....
Indian Seers begin with the declaration,AUM,the sound of the soundless,music of the heart of universe.They want to declare SHANTI to the world becuase Shanti is the beginning and Shanti is the end.
Old man beief is a reserved word for fools.If you are a profound believer,you are a profound non believer also.If you are profound theist,you are certainly an atheist also.Atheism is a shadow of theism,and it's survival depends upon theism.
OM Shantih.Sha 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
17/07/2010 05:41:42
Follow up to Shri Oldman on Word

Written or spoken OM is the pranava sound of creation. This is why Sanskrit is such a compelling language.

Do listen to Sanskrit chanting. It is always prefaced by OM and the vibrations are intense, depending on the level of the listener's sensitivity to the sound.

Pythagoras, the Greek philosopher, who was influenced by Hindu thought, spoke about the celestial sound.

There is a 10 year period of Pythagoras's life which scholars cannot account for. He had already visited Egypt and Babylon.

The theory is that he visited Bharat during that period.

He was a vegetarian and believed in reincarnation.

The new sign on the rupee note is smart and modern.

But OM would have been better, because it is a typical Bharatiya symbol. 5
Oldman
17/07/2010 00:31:06
To Sudhakaran
>>>Iam not a believer,Iam a seeker.<<<
The believer is not a reserved word for Christianity. If you believe any God-you are a believer. Otherwise an Atheist.

>>>Word Is not really WORD,It is sound.<<<
I accept but,
When it is written - its WORD
When it is spoken - its SOUND
Both are representing the same thing. right or wrong?
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EX-CHRISTIAN - NOW A PROUD HINDU FOR LIFE
16/07/2010 19:10:15
JUST ONE THING TO SAY.......
YUP, IT'S CRYSTAL CLEAR.....THE
"OLD MAN" IS SENILE!!!!!

IGNORE "OLD MAN" and THAT IDIOT CALLED "DAN ROGER". THEY SHOULD BOTH BE BANNED FROM POSTING THEIR MEANINGLESS COMMENTS ON HAINDAVA KERALA WEBSITE.

HARI OM! 5
Ravi
16/07/2010 08:42:16
to the old man (psycho soul harvester like dan roger)
Big Bang theory of creation by the modern scientist says that creation started with a loud bang (sound) is taken from the concept of OM.

As per Hindu religion OM is the first manifestation of formless God in the form of vibration which sound OM. So it is GOD manifested in the beginning of creation. 5
Ravi
16/07/2010 08:42:16
to the old man (psycho soul harvester like dan roger)
Big Bang theory of creation by the modern scientist says that creation started with a loud bang (sound) is taken from the concept of OM.

As per Hindu religion OM is the first manifestation of formless God in the form of vibration which sound OM. So it is GOD manifested in the beginning of creation. 5
anantha
16/07/2010 03:40:13
OLD MAN IS JOKING
..This oldman is really joking..
..Now he want us to read the Rigveda in context of Bible.It is like if some one say, you should read the "Vaalmiki raamayan"in context of manirathnam's "Raavan".
..The problem is,now when ever he get a poor hindu (mostly never bother to study the culture,history and scriptures of mother land}as his target,he will misuse this similarities to push his "Only Saviour"Agenda..
..ANY WAY ITALIAN GANDHI IS VERY DANGEROUS AND A BIG THREAT TO OUR GREAT CULTURE.. 5
pasyan
15/07/2010 23:03:34
OM is beyond past,present and future
OM(aum) the pranava mantra indicates A(Vishnu), U (Shiva) and M (Brahma).
You know there are limitations in English langauge. It is not the case with Indian languages. When I say A, A should be pronounced as the starting letter of 'Amma'. Similarily U should be pronounced as OO (example OOmmen). M should be the letter Mhe.
OM is discribed in Gopada Brahmaniam.In the begging of Creation first Om was originated. Then came 7 crores of Mantras. All mantras must be chanted with OM prefix. See Garuda Purana and Mandukyo Upnisad to learn more about OM. OM is beynd times. 5
Sudhakaran
15/07/2010 22:08:09
OM and Aramaic text.
Dear old man,You are simply a believer!
Iam not a believer,Iam a seeker.
Word Is not really WORD,It is sound.
There is a secret Aramaic text in Vatican,Which dates back to the third centuary. Dr.Edmond Bordeaux Szekly (founder of international biogenetic society) accidently came upon it..."Essence Gospel of peace" in which the following appears.
"In the beginnig was the SOUND and sound was with god and sound was god"
There are references to the devine sound(OMKAR) in the Bible.
For ex:From the book of relevation 14:2."And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder.The voice I heard was like the sound of loud harpers playing on their harp."
Upanishads uses the following terms:SABDA BRAHMAN, AKASH BANI,NAAD,OMKAR.
Hamsanad upanishad states:"Meditation on the naad or the sound principle is the royal road to salvation"
Jesus used to listen Akash Bani(Not Akashavani-AIR).Prophet Mohammad(PBUH) perceived the devine sound omkar in the cave at Gare-Hira.
Sufis called the omkar'Saute Surmat' which means the tone that fills the cosmos.In Guru Grandh sahib Omkar is called'unstruk melody'
Omkar,Anahad naad is supported scientific evidence.Science regognises that the basis of all matter is vibration.
"all of nature exist as a vast oscillatory spetrum.The sound(NAAD) shapes matter and imparts structure " was demonstrated by Swiss scientist Hans Jenny.
It is impossible to question ancient Indian seers,great Rishis,their universality and their discoveries.They have tried to seperate the individualised soul(Brahma) from mind and matter.The result of their effort is called"Surati Shabd Yoga".The yoga of celestial sound current-OMKAR.
Old man, Omkar is Everywhere. It is in Bible also.It is in you also.But little bit effort is needed to discover it.I have already discovered it !


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Oldman
15/07/2010 10:22:44
To Sudhakaran
<<<
The RIG VEDA says: "first the absolute,the Brahman,then WAAK,the sound,the vibrating energy that becomes the universe"
>>>
(John 1:14) Now the WORD became flesh and took up residence among us.
vaakku in malayalam.
vaarthai in tamil.

Now Eesho-Yeshu-Jesus is the waak(word) if you accept it or not; this is the truth.
Read RIG VEDA within this context.
if you understand anything, it is good for you. otherwise leave it.
meanings and interpretations may differ but truth is always truth. 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
15/07/2010 06:35:04
To Shri Oldman on Truth

This word 'Truth' is a challenging word. Mahatma Gandhi titled his autobiography thus:

'My Experiments with Truth.'

Note the tentative quality of his use of the word Truth. The problem with the monotheistic faiths is that they believe that they are the sole custodians of Truth.

Historically, this has led to the active persecution of non believers. In Bharat, there continues to be an attempt to 'convert' to the one and only 'truth'.

God's word can appear in many shapes and forms, not just the insight of a few groups of people in the Biblical lands!

That is the crux of the problem with Christianity everywhere but especially in Bharat.

The best things in life are free. And so spiritual and religious experience must be free.

Hinduism is a pluralistic faith. Which is why we are baffled as to why you want to impose your religion on us. You yourself personally may not want to do so, but that is what your organised church wants to do.

That is why the Christian Pope calls for the harvesting of souls for Christ and so on and so forth.

As a Hindu I personally admire the life of Jesus,but I do not accept Christian theology which claims that he is the ONLY son of God and that it is only through him there is salvation.

The theory of vicarious atonement is also not acceptable to some of us.

We simply have to agree to disagree. It is a matter of record that until a few years ago, the Christian community in Bharat minded their own business and followed their own religion. The Zorastrians and Jews also did the same. Even now they don't bother with proselytisation.

Since Sonia Gandhi came to power the situation changed.There is an accelerated attempt by Christians to convert Hindus. I have written about this in my new article:'Sonia's Waterloo'(on this website). 5
narendran
15/07/2010 04:43:54
Mathew and S.Gandhi
>>>>Don't you agree all humanity (and everything else) is the creation of the same God, >>>>Mathew

No, I don’t agree. Have you got any evidence to that effect?

If we are agreed that we are all the creation of “one god’, what the hell you and me and rest waste our time here? Or are you trying to push the ‘truth ‘about monotheism over polytheism through backdoor? First let us clear up whether the monotheistic god is as omnipotent as he is believed to be. It is a fact as plain as the nose on one’s face that for the last two thousand years no single claimant of one god crown has been able to garner support of more than one third of the humanity as a whole. A god who is unable to get the support of at least 51 percent of Her/his own creation is an ineffective god. There is therefore an alternative proposition that is: we are the creation of a Consortium of Gods and Goddesses acting under direction and advice from Mother Nature. That is the best way it appears to move forward.

Now, back on the subject. If Sonia Gandhi is in fact a practicing catholic, then she is a threat to this nation because a catholic primarily owe allegiance to the pope in Vatican which is though not a U.N recognized state is still a state and he is the head of it plus a religious head. Her catholic catechism obliges her to reveal all state secrets to the pope when demanded of it without her feeling any guilt for her action in her conscience because she is serving her god. And that applies to all Catholics who hold power in non-catholic countries. Some times its consequences are really terrible like it had happened in Vietnam where a Catholic-Diem- becoming PM started persecuting Buddhists with the help of his US ally.

If the pope loved Hinduism and willing to convert to it after he lays off office then it may not be a problem. But unfortunately that does not seem to be the case unlike Tony Blaire of Britian a Church of England man after demiting office converted to catholicism 5
anantha
15/07/2010 04:09:38
aum
Mr.Mathew,
..I did not say the trinity in hindu is superior and the other is inferior,what I meant is the conceptual differance.
..In hindu concept,GOD does not "create"the humanity or anything,GOD manifested in every thing..Eesho vaasyam idam sarvam...
..Ok,let us learn together...
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M Balachandran
15/07/2010 01:13:38
Belief & Experience
The semetic religions who are "believers" do not understand anything on Hinduism easily because Hinduism is not a belief but a way of life explaining everything for a human life including spiritual / materialistic development without hurting the environment , other living non living things in the universe 5
Oldman
14/07/2010 23:27:14
Story book - Fairy tale
@Anantha

The Bible is written to everyone and everyone can either accept it as truth or reject it as a fairy tale. Believing the Bible to be a fairy tale, though, doesn’t negate the fact that God’s word is true. Unbelief and the rejection of the truth will only act as a catalyst in the condemnation of that person.
It is up to you. No one will force you to believe. 5
Karthik
14/07/2010 20:41:53
AUM Nama Shivaya
We Hindus have always believed that Truth is One and can be represented as many. Thats why we worship God in thousands of forms and names.

In idol worship, we attribute features to the formless and nameless god. Infact we implicitily assume that we have known God before knowing him !!!

When realization dawns, it is said that God will reveal himself as truth which is even beyond the form and name we attributed to him initially.

Truth is beyond comprehension and AUM is a pictorial and verbal representation of it.

Infact there is a story of Brahma and Vishnu getting arrested by Lord Karthikeya for not knowing the meaning of AUM ! Shiva himself pleads to Karthikeya on their behalf and requests him to explain the meaning of AUM.

Karthikeya asks Shiva to humbly submit himself as a Sishya would do to a Guru. So Shiva becomes Sishya to his own son Karthikeya (Swaminathan) who reveals AUM. This legend is asscociated with the place called Swamimalai in Tamil Nadu.
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Karthik
14/07/2010 20:26:09
Mathew
Spiritual yearnings in Humans will remain as yearnings only unless and untill realization dawns on the seeker. But this dosent obliviate the fact that religions dont lead to similar conclusions.

If you were to reach a mountain, one says 'Hey! There are many paths to reach the destination'. Another says, 'If you take a path other than mine, you will be sent to perpetual hell on the Judgement Day'.

Untill this adamant attitude exists in the self proclaimed missionaries, there wont be peace. 5
mathew
14/07/2010 16:30:12
A U M
@Ananthu,

I did not say the concept of Trinity in Hinduism and in Christianity are same. I meant they are similar, not same. If you believe one of them is superior, there are others who believe the opposite.

Don't you agree all humanity (and everything else) is the creation of the same God, and that spiritual yearnings in Humans, wherever/ whoever they are, will lead to similar conclusions?

Who is able to say which one of those conclusions will be closer to truth? Neither you nor I. 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
14/07/2010 15:12:16
Shri Anantha and other Hindus

Perhaps you are right. At first it seemed that Oldman was genuinely asking for answers. Perhaps he still is. The answers from many of the wise colleagues on this site have been enlightening. If he is still not satisfied then he should seek out a spiritual guru !

My overall impression is that the real discussion should be centred on the question of the symbol to be used, if at all, on the currency. Since the requirement is that the symbol should be true to Bharat's ethos, what better symbol than OM ? 5
anantha
14/07/2010 11:09:23
OM
Dear Dr.Vijay,
..They never understad the meaning of OM,because they dont want to understand,they are happy with their story book called BIBLE.
Dear mathew,
..The trinity in hindu concept and
in christianity are entirely defferent..study properly,then only compare.
Dear sudhakaran
...why you are comparing the sacret OM with the cross . A cross is a cross,nothing more,that symbolise nothing..

...About the "word",it may be the
sound,but not explained. offcourse,there may be some similarities here and there due to the influence of hindu scriptures... 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
14/07/2010 09:46:48
Shri Oldman, about OM nama sivaya

Shiva here is considered to be the embodiment of the Panchabhutas, the 5 elements. I have already explained that the Veda celebrates the celestial,atmospheric, and terrestrial powers, in other words, the Panchabhutas included.

OM simply is a form of celebration of the mystical sounds of creation. Put all of this together and you will understand why OM precedes all prayer, all chanting, all mantras (for Hindus). Christians say Amen. Devout Catholics make the sign of the Cross. And so on and so forth.

Since the article above is talking about the use of a typical Hindu symbol for the Hindu ethos, then OM is the most suitable to imprint on the coins.Bharat is a Hindu country and a very religious one at that !

If you wish for spiritual guidance, I recommend that you consult a spiritual guru.

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Sudhakaran
14/07/2010 08:12:18
AUM,the ultimate flowering.
Dear old man,God can't be explained,it can only be indicated,it can only be experienced.There are many things in life which are beyond explanation.
For example:Once Jesus was asked-
"What will be the special thing in the kingdom of god?"
And Jesus said:"There shall be time no longer"
What is the meaning? The true meaning is beyond explanation.But you can indicate it,you can point your finger towards the inner meaning.The moment you go beyond mind,you have gone beyond time.
Listening 'Surati',the omkar nad is transcendence of time.Jesus was indicating the experience of listening Naam,the 'WORD'.with a mind full of theology,it is difficult for you to understand it.
All the upanishads starts with OM,the primordial sound.The RIG VEDA says:"first the absolute,the Brahman,then WAAK,the sound,the vibrating energy that becomes the universe" Bible also says the same thing with a slight difference."In the beginning there was the word and the word was with god, and the word and god were one"-but it can't be word,it is sound,the primordial sound.Let us listen the seer of upanishad.
OM
THE IMPERISHABLE SOUND
IS THE SEED OF ALL THAT EXISTS
THE PAST,THE PRESENT,THE FUTURE,-ALL THAT ARE BUT THE UNFOLDING OF AUM.
AND WHATEVER TRANSCENDS
THE THREE REALMS OF TIME
THAT INDEED IS THE FLOWING OF AUM
THIS WHOLE CREATION IS ULTIMATELY BRAHMAN
AND THE SELF,
THIS ALSO IS BRAHMAN.
Old man,We have a relation ship with KRISHNA and CHIRST.They have an image,they cant take you beyond the mind.To reach them we need formlessness.AUM is formless.
Iam not asking you to chant AUM,chanting is one thing,and listening is another thing.No mantra is more powerful than AUM.
Let us listen AUM,and enter Krishna conciousness,Chirst conciousness.let the ultimate flowering come! 5
vedamgopal
14/07/2010 05:44:33
OM
11. She is behind creating bad names for Hindu saint and seers.
12. When she visited Kadmandu along with Rajiv she requested the king to release 90 Padaris put in the jail for illegal conversion activities
13. Similarly Rajiv when visited one Northeastern country during election time announced if people vote congress party they will run the state as per Bibical order
14. Now Manipur is demanding to announce their state as Christian state and wants rule the state as applicable to Kashmir
15. All the Maoist activities are encouraged by Christian Church and Sonia is not permitting to control them with military power
16. Earlier also because of her influence currencies appeared with cross, hand symbol and now with Alponsa.
17. When Pope John Paul died, only two country Italy & Canada paid homage by hoisting the flag down. Along with them India also paid homage by hoisting the flag down. Except these three others are not secular country
18. She is doing the routine exercise of swindling the Indian money and depositing in the foreign country starting from Bofors, KGB, Wolkers, Sadams food for petrol exchange, 2G spectra scandal and the list goes endlessly.
19. Last year she got one Belgium Govt award “Leo Pold”, which is normally given to people who are true patriot of the nation. This clearly shows her affinity towards alien country.
20. Mother for all pseudo secularist , antinational and of course all Christian
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vedamgopal
14/07/2010 05:43:20
OM
(Deport Sonia to Italy)
1. sole proprietor for telling countless number of lies
2. She is hailed from a Russian spy family now switched her loyalty to another communist country.
3. Catholic Christianity and Pope order are her main breath
4. Uneducated lady, served in a bar as maid servant. Does not know good English or Hindi. Always speaks if some body writes it in a paper that too with broken pronunciation.
5. She does not have tinge of patriotism toward India
6. Shamelessly annexed to her name Gandhi to cheat the Indians.
7. Every year the entire family goes to Lakshadeep to celebrate Christmas.
8. Only after the arrival of this bar girl in active politics conversion in India has taken a bad shape
9. Because of her intervention recent Tamil genocide took place in Sri Lanka
10. Ready to give Badmashree awards to any body who teases Hindu and Hinduism
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vedamgopal
14/07/2010 04:34:35
OM
A -(? – ????? ) (positive force) U - ( ? – ????? )(negative force) M ( ?? – ???? )(illusion). From this prnava mantra the entire universe is created (1008 kolankal). When you say this word the echo will go beyond your throat and reaches the heart. No other word has this magic touch. 5
mathew
14/07/2010 04:39:37
A U M
@Dr. Vijaya Rajiva & OldMan (not to Ashok the Uncouth),

I think the comparison of the word ‘A U M ‘ with ‘Cross’ is not appropriate if one is trying to explain the meaning of ‘AUM’. Cross has a definite meaning, it denotes something, an object, which was of course later was adopted as a symbol of certain attributes. But ‘A U M’ is not an object.

At the same time anything considered profound by humans should have a meaning, or many meanings, and it should signify something. Calling something ‘mystical’ because it cannot be explained does not satisfy the god-created intellect.

My own understanding of ‘A U M’ is as follows.

Vowels are the fundamental script, the soul, without which consonants cannot be expressed. In phonetic languages like Sanskrit (or Malayalam) the letter ‘A’ is the Beginning, ‘U’ is the Middle, ‘M (not the consonant ‘Ma’)’ is the End. All these three together, the Beginning (Creation), The middle (Existence), and the End (Resolution) makes up the Entire, the Brahmam. The Godheads Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva are representative of these three aspects of Brahmam.

Incidentally, same idea is derived in Christian theology in the concept of Trinity (Father the Creator, Holy Spirit the Sustainer, and Son the Savior). Spiritual yearnings of humans, despite their differences, have a tendency to reach similar conclusions.
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Ashok
14/07/2010 00:38:50
Old man
Your name says it all...that you are afflicted wiht dementia and obviously senile. In spite of having being told what OM means you still haven't grasped it. Gosh xian retards cannot think beyond their corpse and their harry potter story book. 5
M.R.kuttipuzha.
13/07/2010 23:07:29
OMKAR KI KHOJ.
In the highest peak of your silence,You can experience AUM.
A created sound is called a
Ahat Nada.Ahat Nada is perishable. An uncreated sound is called Anahad Nada.Anahad nada is not a created sound,hence it cant be destroyed.
Omkar is Anahad nada,uncreated sound which is always there,the sound of silence.Sound of existence.Sound of God.
AUM is devine sound,which is the truth.When you start listening it,the truth resonates in you.It is HARI OM TAT SAT:One of the 'mahavakyas',which have been embeded in the anahad chakra of indian seers since eternity.
If you go deep inside you,very deep within,you will hear a strange music,which resembles Aum.
It is the sound of truth itself.It can't be explained hence Hindus use a symbol because it can be explained only through a symbol,which is beyond alphabet.The symbol OM declares a universal language which is beyond all languages.
When the mind is free from all tidal waves of thought,free from all ripples of chinta,OM penetrates you with it's devine music,like a master musician he comes with his unexplainable orchestra.Sound of ocean waves,sounds of damaru,humming of honeybees,sounds of temple bell,chirpping of birds....and finally all sounds combines into OM..very very mysterious.Suddenly a tremendous joy surrounds you,a great celebration ensrhroudes you,all other man made and nature made sound disappears in to oblivion.AUM simply steals your very heart for ever-you have already entered the eternal truth,you have entered'Hari OM TAT SAT' 5
Oldman
13/07/2010 23:02:33
Re: To Shri Oldman on OM
@ Sudhakaran
>>>OM cant be explained<<<
If God can be explained why not OM? In my opinion anything else come under God; isn't.

Please tell me whether OM is mentioned in Veda.

@ Dr Vijaya Rajiva
>>>In the case of OM nama Sivaya, the god Shiva is invoked.<<<
God Shiva is invoked to do what? what is your intention to saying this(OM nama Sivaya) mantra?

I am sure not provoking your emotions and feelings. 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
13/07/2010 14:38:04
Shri Oldman,one meaning of OM
One meaning is
that it is a primeval sound that accompanies the Divine Principle's creation of the universe.

That is why every Hindu mantra is prefaced by OM.

In the case of OM nama Sivaya, the god Shiva is invoked.

Hinduism has many gods and goddesses and they are all expressions of divinity.

The Rig Veda, the oldest of the Hindu scriptures invokes celestial,atmospheric and terrestrial deities.

If you are still uncertain about the meaning of OM I recommend that you talk to a spiritual guru. 5
Oldman
13/07/2010 10:25:52
Re: To Shri Oldman on OM
Stories shows your expertise and knowledge. I really appreciate.

you said >>>Likewise OM has multilevels of meaning<<<
Can you pinpoint at least one meaning for me?

OK please give me the meaning of 'OM NAMA SIVAYA'. I try to extract the meaning of OM from this. 5
srinivas rao
13/07/2010 08:19:10
meaning
OM it was a sound when the time universe created hence it became sacred symbol to mankind to start any thing whether it is mantra or a good thing. 5
Sudhakaran
13/07/2010 06:41:21
OM
dear old man,OM cant be explained.It can only be experienced. But,Let me try to explain it to you in a different way..in a chirstian way.
"I tell you most solemnly,whoever keeps my word will never see death"Chirst,John 8:51)
What is WORD ?
"DRiking wATER OF LIFE"
what is water of life ?
"IN THE BEGINNING WAS THe WORD"
Again let me ask you what is 'WORD"
What is referred to as the word,the logos in the west, is OMKAR.In the beginning was the word,all the rest followed later,and all else is no more, the word will still resonate and every thing will be absorbed in it.
Jesus says"whoever keeps my WORD will never see death.True.What is Jesus word ? That word is so subtle.It is soundless sound,or the sound of 'one hand clapping'.unless your mind is completely empty,you cant hear Jesus words...his inner music.Hindus call it Omkar.
All the sounds are perishable.But OM is imperishable.
"In the beginning there was the word and the word was with god,and the word and god were one." true.
OM is the primordial sound of which the whole universe consists,we are made of 'word',music.
The RIG VEDA says: 'First the absolute,the brahman,then waak,the sound,the vibrating energy which becomes the universe.
It is the drinking water of life.
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Dr Vijaya Rajiva
13/07/2010 03:28:53
To Shri Oldman on OM

I am not sure what exactly you mean by asking for the exact meaning of OM ? Let me put it to you this way:

The Cross is both a pictorial representation of the actual cross that Jesus is supposed to have been crucified on.
But it also has a symbolic meaning which leads the believer into Christian theology etc. Symbolic of redemption etc.

Likewise OM has multilevels of meaning. It is to begin with a Mantra. A Mantra is a chain of mystical sounds, in this case the combination of A U M.

Hindus believe that the world was created through mystical vibrations of the Divine Principle. Christians believe that the world was created in seven days out of nothing(ex nihilio) and so on.

The German philosopher Immanuel Kant (18th century) has said that one only knows what one knows. One cannot know the thing in itself(ding an sich).
He said this in his famous work : The Critique of Pure Reason.

In other words, our thought structures and our finite sense experiences limits us to what we know. Beyond that, it is anybody's guess !



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Oldman
12/07/2010 22:25:43
The real MEANING of OM ?
I know OM is a Sanskrit word and Hindus sacred mantra. Your answer have not mentioned the meaning of OM.

I googled it and didn't get that true meaning. most of the websites states that its a mantra, religious rite, prefaced to all, various syllables, primordial sound, etc.

I assume most of the people do not want to know what exactly they are doing. Anybody Please write the meaning. Its simple! 5
Karthik
12/07/2010 20:36:09
To Jac
What is your 'Sickular' media doing? Fooling ignorant masses like you with same old cock and bull stories of Sonia and Sania. Go ahead and watch NDTV to know whats the costume of Kasab. It is very important for this nation you see! 5
Dr Vijaya Rajiva
12/07/2010 12:29:51
To Shri Oldman

Stephen Oppenheimer and Toomas Kisivild are two geneticists whose work has recently influenced our thinking on the origins of human beings. Their theory is that modern man came out of Africa and migrated to India some 40,000 years ago.

These people lived in India for a very long period and then some migrated to the north towards Iran and Europe.
Their work on mitochondrial DNA has been published in many articles and especially in the book, The Real Eve by Oppenheimer.

Hence, the older theory of an Aryan invasion of India is no longer accepted by Indic scholars. I have explained briefly some of this in my article 'Sarasvati Regained' on this website itself(Haindava Keralam). http:www.haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx?PageID=9096&SKIN=D

OM comes from the 3 syllables A U M, which are considered by Hindus to be the primordial sound. Hence, all religious rites and recitations are prefaced by OM.

Regarding the Aryan-Dravidian divide, this is a colonial invention. Please see my article 'Karunanidhi and Asko Parpola: An Unlikely Duo' on this website
http://haindavakeralam.com/HKPage.aspx ?PageID=11511 5
Oldman
12/07/2010 10:15:14
Bharat is a land of dark people
One aspect of this quote is entirely true. Bharath is a land of dark people. That means Dravidians are black. This historical data reveals at that time 2000 years ago there were only black people in this region.

Dear Dr., please give me the true meaning of OM if you know.

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Dr Vijaya Rajiva
12/07/2010 09:02:38
To Shri jac

You sound like an angry young person ! Are you a member of the Youth Congress ?

What is it about this column that troubles you?

You have not given any arguments against it. 5
jac
12/07/2010 02:43:46
reply
actually whats ur problem...dont u have anything else to write..other than the same thing again and again! be innovative guys!! 5
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