Challenge to Feminists, atheists and others: Discuss about all Goddesses, Angles or women.
13/07/2008 02:41:51  






By VEDAPRAKASH








Why attack "Sita" alone?


: The Jaina and Buddhist hypocrisy[1] is picked up by the selective scholars, researchers, bloggers etc., under the guise of feminism, women lib etc., throwing venom on "Sita". Really, it is not known why she has been targeted for more than 2500 years, or 3500 years according to different estimates. That such importance given to her, however shows her established status of chastity, ideal womanhood and model wife. It is unfortunate that only "Sita" is targeted - Why? If women are really worried about the welfare of women in India or elsewhere, they have to consider all women without any bias, prejudice or ideological disposition. Nowadays, certain women are coming out as "feminists", but exhibiting perplexing characteristics, dispositions and expressions. If a critical study is undertaken, an Indian woman or global woman has to view every woman-character, whether it is historical, pre-historical, semi-historical, mythical, legendary or whatsoever nature. But, it is not done.














The pattern


: A careful study of such literature shows a pattern, design or modus operandi as the Jaina and Buddhist versions are simply copied, modified and custom-made according to whims and fancies. Recently, Paula Richman[2] (editor)'s "Many Ramayanas" has been discussed in some forums, just to tarnish the image of Ramayana. Whenever Ramayana becomes popular, anti-Ramaya campaign would be triggered to counter it. It has to be pointed out that a woman-historian of stature – Romila Thapar[3] has not been exception to this syndrome. This time, it was Karunamnidhi[4], who initiated such activation through his famous questions of "Who is Rama? In which Engineering college he studied? And so on! Romila came out this time also, but only support Karunanidhi ideologically burying all her historical knowledge and expertise[5]. The DK has tried its best, but it failed, because, their own leaders have only "exhibited the character" of "Ravana". They have / had more than one wife one many wives with or without concubines. So not only Sita, Surpanaka, Mandodhari and other Ramayana or other women had / have to be afraid of them.  And ironically, none of the wives or women of Black Parivar want their husbands or would-be's  to be "Ravanas".














Ramayaya, Kimayana, Hemayana etc


: I just reproduce what TOI has given as the new version:




"Hema Ramakrishna[6], 60, has thrown fresh light on the quintessential Indian drama. Giving a new dimension to the Rama-Sita relationship, a Bangalore-based author has written a poetic English play, Sanctuary, that inverts several accepted standards in the Ramayana. In her foreword to the play, she says her work is part of the intellectual and emotional churning in the country, post-Babri Masjid demolition in 1992.





Her story de-glorifies both Rama and Ravana. Hers is a strongly feminist view






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: Rama's treatment of two women-Sita and Surpanaka-comes under the scanner. Hema says, "Rama is that perfect being that can do no wrong. No doubt whatsoever is cast on his person, never mind how fraught his actions are with expediency, especially when it comes to the shabby treatment of his wife. And the unsavoury details of Surpanaka's mutilation.'' The play has been published by a Lankan bookhouse. But the Lanka in the play is not the same. It is Ranka, located in the 'Mahasamund' Bay of Bengal, next to Orissa's Chilka lakes. The other changes are practical- Ravana is not ten-headed. He has ten men beheaded to ward off his predicted "untimely death''






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. Hanuman and gang don't build a bridge across the sea






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, but Vibhishana, Hanuman, Rama and Lakshmana swim with Vanaras to Ravana's island and sneak in through a secret way into the palace-castle. There is no war.






The street-smart Rama knows Vanaras cannot match Ravana's crack army. He marches into Ravana's bedroom in the night and kills him






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. Surpanaka is the story-trigger, Ravana kidnaps Sita because his sister is mutilated by Rama and Lakshmana. The demon king tells the audience: "What ruffians to attack a woman like this!'' Sita comes in just one scene, but Hema endows her with doom. The invasion of Ranka is because of her, "a mere woman'', much to the Vanaras' disgruntlement. Hema's reworked storyline is all in reported speech: Sita fights Ravana, but cannot match his force. Her tongue is cut for cursing him[11].






She loses speech, beauty, vitality and cowers in fear in Asokavana. Rama, repelled by the changes, rejects her. The Agni Pariksha conveys new thought. Hema makes it an angry rejection of male-dominance






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: Sita jumps into Ravana's burning funeral pyre and dies, leaving Rama guilt-ridden. The end is Trikala Narada's epilogue: "Long before the first poets sang of him, Rama's name and fame were well known. But somewhere along the way, on the long and dusty road taking us back to Ayodhya, many changes crept into being. For it is we who invent our myths, we who create them, shape them and sing them out..



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This golden rule has to be followed for all women, but not followed! However, they go on discuss about the Rama's ill-treatment of Sita.






















The psyche, syndrome and pathology


: Psychologically, their inferiority complex works opposite with superiority complex. They have only one agenda - attack, abuse or even blaspheme Ramayana, you get attention of all easily. But, they may or may not realize its seriousness. It is just like calling one's own mother a prostitute (Though I am very sorry to use such expression, as otherwise, people understand only such language in some cases). As they characterise the suffering of Sita in a negative or so-called de-glorified way, they should depict the other popular or this type of de-glorification, street-smart heroines, women and goddesses. But they do not do. Why their minds have been diseased with such mindset? Why their thinking has been carcinogenic stopping all thought processes? Perhaps, we have to follow the prescription of Tiruvalluvar!












"Demythologization and de-glorification: When the critical edition of Ramayana was prepared, many scholars have involved in it. Thus, the de-glorifiers, manipulators and blasphemers must know about the "critical edition". But, they are not worried about it, but they want only Apocryphal





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Ramayanas and not critical edition of Ramayana. They also go on produce more such trash – "Apocryaphal Ramayanas" against Valmiki Ramayana. Thus, if the blind can ride, they can use winds as chariots or even aeroplanes. Thus, "Kimayanas" or "reverse-Ramayanas" cannot be fit into any historical or critical studies, but it is some sort of "secular Romances" in India with "romantic atheism".












"Demythologization" has been the removal of "myth" in ancient texts in historical perspective. As many historians and archaeologist have done it, H. D. Sankalia in his books have pointed out that the following could be historical facts, as such facts were known to Indians since at least 1000 BCE. As he had been an archaeologist, he has demythologized Ramayana and brought it to human understanding. However, in spite of his scholarship and professorship, he never discussed low about Ramayana.












But, other historians do – Romila does, as pointed out – a de-glorification process? How atheist Karu-like personality and the woman-Romila could be thinking in the same way when the question of rama comes? When the issue of historicity of Rama comes? What is that coincidence or psycho-pathological matching?














Separation of male-female, husband-wife etc


: In modern context, man and woman, if they want, they can live together, have sex, raise or abort children and divorce or go away. Again the divorced or separated man and woman can repeat the process on the principles of "independence" or "right of living and separation", "right to have sex" and so on. None can question. When man-man and woman-woman relationships are also accepted, or opposed, such relationships are glorified, publicized as hall-mark of progressiveness and freedom of expression of sex[14]. However, in  everty society, irrespective of divisions, differences and variance, all people and animals follow the pattern of one man-one woman relationship.












Again note, recently a Supreme court Judge has opined that the Hindu Marriage act has been responsible for maximum divorces





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. It has to be noted that Indian tradition does not sanction divorce, though, historical evidences have been there. However, of lte, there have been few cases reported every year, because of modernism, westernism and women could not cope up with such modernization processes at one side and other traditional and conservative system followed.














"Clooneyism" exhibited in theological attack on Hindu Goddesses


: How professional bias could affect this subject could be noted from the book / study of one Harvard University Professor Francis X. Clooney[16], S. J., in his comparison of Hindu Goddesses and the Virgin Mary. As the paper of K. V. Ramakrishna Rao criticising his study is available in the internet, the appropriate portions are reproduced here for convenience[17] (three paragraphs with tables – all italicized): For Clooney's reaction, in turn to his paper, see the referred to websites[18].

















"Hindu Goddesses and the Virgin Mary"




: This is the subtitle of the recent book of Clooney mentioned above, which has been dissented, refuted and disapproved by the involved Vaishnavites. They have been totally dejected and dismayed, the way in which he collected the inner information from them and now using, rather misusing in different way. Under the guise of "Comparative Theology", he has tried to compare certain Hindu Goddesses with the Mary taking the following six works:






























































Title of the work







Author / Composer







Period / date







Language






Sri Guru Ratna Kosa (Auspicious Treasury of the Jewels That Are Sri's Quality)





Parasara Pattar





12th century CE





Sanskrit





Saundarya Lahiri (Wave of Beauty)





Attributed to Sankara





10th cent. or before.





Sanskrit





Apirami Antati (Linked verses for Apirami – the Beautiful One)





Apirami Bhattar





18th cent.





Tamil





Akathistos (Sing while Notseated)





Not mentioned





6th cent.





Greek





Stabat Mater





Do





13th cent.





Latin





Mataracamman Antati [Antati verses in Honour of the Queen among women – the Goddess (of Mylapore)]





Do





19th cent.





Tamil
















Here, the important differences are tabulated as follows:















































Hindu tradition





Christian tradition






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Godhead has been accepted both as Male and Female.






1.   



Godhead is always considered as Male.














2.   



"Mother / Female Goddess" concept is perceived, conceived and applied in all aspects.














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"Mother / Female Goddess" concept is anathema to the "Father / Male God". Even, Mary is considered as only "Mother of God".






3.   



It is very common that God can be imagined with female and male characteristics – individually, separately and in combine also.






3.   



In Christian or Semitic theology, God cannot be imagined with female and as well as male characteristics.














4.   



Brahma-Saraswati, Vishnu-Lakshmi, Siva-Parvati etc., have Male-Female representation with Father-Mother Status.






4.   



In attempted comparison, Male Jesus is placed with Female Mary, who are repeatedly mentioned as Son (the only Son) and Mother (the Virgin Mary).






5.   



The above Male-Female combinations have been very common since time immemorial in all forms and representations.






5.   



Holy Spirit-Mary, Joseph-Mary, etc., are unthinkable and forbidden making the researchers in dilemma. Of course, the pundits and experts of "Comparative Theology" tactfully avoid and explain away.






6.   



The Vedic scriptures have been dated to c. 5500 to 2500 BCE.






6.   



The Biblical scriptures are dated to first centuries of the Current / Common Era (CE).


















Clooney's Claim of Understanding of Hindu Goddesses through Mother Mary




: The following description has been faithfully taken from his recent work without changing crucial words.














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Hindus Goddesses have fascinated Clooney for many years since 1973.He has approached his counterpart-theology as a Christian, as a Roman Catholic and a Jesuit priest encountering the faith and cult of goddess tradition.






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He claims that he has himself translated and read the Hindu works of hymns quoted closely in light of their traditional commentaries.






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However, he admits that it is no small matter to recommend that Christian theologians take Hindu Goddesses seriously and study the goddess hymns with theological care, as Christian theology is rooted in biblical tradition deeply dedicated to the one true God and also, seems, to dismissal of the idea of goddess.






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He also confesses that although Christian tradition does include instances of reflection of God as mother, their implications are minimally developed.






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With all the prohibitions of Christian dogma, he notes that several books have helped him understand that the rich and unsettling possibilities of the cult of Mary, and to see how Mary, the one who helps Christians to understand Sri, Devi and Apirami.






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Here, he reveals his real intention to elevate Mary and degrade Hindu Goddesses.






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Realizing his theological attack now on their Goddesses, Vaishnavites condemn his prejudiced convictions, professional bias and unethical professional handling of "Comparative Theology" coupled with religious superiority, theological arrogance, holy imperialism,  all definitely leading to fundamentalism and terrorism.














The traditional and modern Vaishnavite scholars have also surprised to note and doubt as to whether a mischievous religious fundamentalist and communalist had hidden under the veil of professorship, that too, coming from big Universities to make such comparison and representation. The inter-religious dialogue should be frank and mutual, giving equal rspect to the respective beliefs dealt with. The "believers" with whom Clooney had such "dialogues" should have been informed about his motive, norms and standards. But, he did not so. He approached them as a researcher, posing as devout person to understand Hindu Goddesses, made close friendship with temple priests, entered temples and mutts, observed rituals and rites (liturgy), learned the nuances of Vaishnavite theology and finally tried to denigrate and disparage with his sophisticated language, professional bias and scholarly colonialism. He cannot have any standards to measure the divinity of Mother Goddesses, when he cannot accept to have any "Mother" equal to his "Mother Mary". He cannot coolly claim that Mary helped to understand Hindu Goddesses, when he has cheated genuine and honest believers, in fact, who have helped him. Thus, it is really, theological fraud, religious deceit and (un)faithful sham inflicted on Hindus under the guise of Inter-religious dialogue and inculturation, which will have serious consequences in Indian society.
















Historical Mother Goddess, Hindu Goddesses and Christian Mary




: The Mother Goddess concept, worship and their archaeological evidences have been abundant in ancient civilizations, thousands of years before the advent of Christianity and elevation of Mary, though not as an independent Goddess, but as "Mother of God", as Jesus was the "Only Son of God". Scholars[19] have also pointed out the development of Virgin goddess myth from the Zodiac, the Black Virgin / Goddess, Ishtar, Isis, Mayadevi, Devaki and others. For example, the Black Virgin depicted in four scenes on the inner walls of the Temple of Luxor inscribed by King Amenhotep III is dated to 1538-1501 BCE. The cult of Virgin Mary, thus developed out of such images and in later times, was overlaid the cult of Jesus and its adoption led to the issue of Mother and Woman. However, Christian clergy have never wanted to place Mary above Jesus Christ. Of course, surprisingly, for Joseph, there is no place here. There is no such problem of Immaculate Conception, Virgin Birth etc., in Indian context. Perhaps, that is why Pius IX decreed in 1854 that Mary was free from original sin "in the first instant of her conception". As pointed out Hindu Goddesses can exist independently or with their counterparts. Son-god is always placed below Mother-god in the divine pedestal, whereas, in Christianity, there has been a lot of theological controversy and dogmatic debate about such exigency. The name "Mary" is considered to have been derived from different myths[20]






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Mirium



, a name already existing among the Jews and Gentiles;






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Myrrha



, mother of Adonis in Syrian cult;






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Maira



, mother of Hermes in Greek mythology;






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Maia



, daughter of atlas;






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Maya



, mother of Buddha.






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Merris



, the Egyptian princess who found the babe Moses.






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Meri



, one of the daughters of Ramses II.






But, Sri, Devi or Apirami has no such confused mythical development. Their origin is traced back to Vedic and pre-Christian periods. Thus, they have clear independent concept, worship and religious incorporation. In fact, the male-female rivalry noticed in Puranas have been settled through Artha-narishwara concept (Male-Female Combined Godhead or to show that God is neither Male nor Female at higher / divine level and stressing gender equality a lower / human level). Why Clooney has not touched upon such concept is not known. Moreover, as he has taken three Hindu hymns depicting three different Hindu Goddesses, he could have taken three Christian Goddesses for comparison or better understanding.














Thus, if he could understand Hindu Goddesses through Mary, being "a scholar, professor and member of the academic community", ignoring other aspects, it is not known as to how his study could have been objective, reasonable and comparative so that he could "welcome his fellow scholars for their reactions", as he has offered in his Preface (Nearer the Goddess). As a scholar, he must have recorded the historical background of Mary also for understanding of Christian and Hindu Goddesses in his Comparative theology

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Thus, this has been a classical case of Christian attack on Hindu Goddesses at the cost of morbid elevation of Mary with sheer religious arrogance. While the atheists and feminists attack differently, this type of refined theologians posing as scholars and professors attack Hindu religion. As Paula Richman has also done in the same way, Clooney does it in a different way, but the target has been the same. And our atheists, feminists and other progressive and secular categories have been so happy to use such materials against Hindu religion. Of course, the print and electronic media gives maximum publicity with clout of Harvard University, Oxford University, Duke University and so on. What is this psyche?














Why Mary, Kathija etc, are not studied by the feminists


: According to Christian belief Mary was married to Joseph, but she begot Jesus Christ through "Holy Spirit" known as "Immaculate conception". None discusses such process in the feminist or atheist aspect. Jesus Christ, her son once asked, "Who are you" and so on? Again, they do not see anything unusual or accuse him of neglecting mother or motherhood or womanhood. There have been many incidences narrated where the Apostles, Popes, Saints and priests had / have ill-treated, exploited and molested women, but, they never conducted or do not conduct any study. Lakhs or millions of women – ladies and girls were killed or burned at stake declaring them as "possessed" or "witches". The witch-hunting was in practice even during 19th century in Europe and UK-University conducts course on "Witch-craft"! How the British cheated Indians in misinterpreting "witch-burning" and "widow-burning" has been pointed by recently[21], which exposes the hallowness of Indian historiography and the woman's response to the issue.












Coming to Islam, the position of women has been highly controversial, though the orthodox claim that Koran has given the maximum liberty and rights to women. The marrying of Kathija, an elderly lady by Mohammed and later marrying his own daughter-in-law, and other women etc., are not discussed in the feminist circles or studies. How the men exploit women by having up to four wives at a time, clitorectomy, women-slaves, harems etc., are not discussed. The sklave-trade carried on by the Mohammedans, particularly by the pirates has been the blackest chapter of woman-history in the world. They do not discuss. They just think it would be some sort of "Salman Rusdhism" inviting thr wrath of Islamic jihadis with fatwas.












These are given only for illustrative purpose and not exhaustive.














Misinterpretation of mylogization or de-glorification


: Atheists approach mythology as "totally myth", untruth and hence easy for their criticism. Thus, they are or need not bother about demythologization to find out the truth in it. Glorification, veneration, exaltation and deification come only for the appreciating class, whereas for the people who decide to criticize, only disparagement, denigration, defamation, deprecation, disrespect, blasphemy and all play into the role of the critic.












Feminists too one way or the other tread on such path without any real analysis or criticism. In a secular society during the age of globalization, they must have come out of such mindset and interpret. After all mythologization has been making history, past events or human imprints in an exaggerated way suitable to the public for entertainment also. In movies, a lot of things are depicted and people know they are not only myth, but also untruth, but still people enjoy and the film-makers provide more-more exaggeration, myth and untruth.












The atheists and feminist do not question as to –













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how a woman comes in less dress or no dress;





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how a single woman mating with many men and vice versa;





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how a woman is gang-raped;





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how women are acting in such scenes just for money;





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and so many other vulgar, violent, unimaginable depictions that a man cannot imagine or depict in such a way under normal conditions;





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Meta-cinematographic computer graphic depictions (which need not be explained).












Appreciating the myth of non-Hindu religions, but deprecation of myth of only Hindu religion in the context of atheists, feminists or both joining together, the important question arises – why such partiality, bias, prejudice and selection? How the myth, mythology, superstition, blind-belief, religious and dogmatic fallacies, miracles etc., of non-Hindu religions become acceptable to their intellect or their wonderful brains become inactive to think and express their liberal criticism accordingly? If a psychological critic fails in her / his psychological study psychologically, then anybody can question her / him.












In Christianity, Islam and other religions myth, mythology, superstition, blind-belief, religious and dogmatic fallacies, miracles etc., have been historicized or censored completely so that they are not discussed, debated or analyzed. In fact, they have more such factors in their literature. Moreover, only edited or authorized versions are made to circulate suppressing the original literature from the common people and public.












In western countries, "Female Christs", "Female Prophets" and such concepts and facts have been discussed, debated and recorded. But, here not only the western or eastern scholarship, even the Indian scholarship has been silent about it. However, if "Sita" has to be criticized, all scholarships join  together. This rarest if rare phenomenon only provokes me many times.














Bangalore, Sita and Feminism


: In the context, the repeat of 2005 by Hema or "Sowmiya Aji Mehu" or mentioned as "Sowmya Ali" by the atheist now in Bangalore is significant. Earlier, Rajasekhara Shetty used to conduct such gimmicks from Bangalore. Of late, with the rise of MNCs, Bangalore becoming hub of IT, it has become haven for Islamic terrorists also. So, naturally others too follow the suit to choose Bangalore for their activities. But, there has been a book written by V. Suryanarayan and published in Bangalore itself in 1992, wherein he has dealt with the issue critically. Coming to "Hemayana", the following points are noted:




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Is it actually feminist scanning or feminist sadism psychologically?




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When she has decided to fly in imaginary world, she should thought about Ravana cutting Sita's tongue and other torturous acts committed on her.




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The play features a deglamourized Sita, who loses her beauty and vitality with the rape. Wonderful, indeed the scanning!




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In fact, I need not discuss such things, as only imagination roosts without anything.




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"An enraged and despairing Sita jumps into Ravana's funeral pyre", yes, she is not Sita and also Sita of Valmiki Ramayana, but Hema's "ayana" – "Hemayana".




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If her imagination has not been conditioned, tainted or imbibed, the, she should start scanning, all women like Sita. Can she take the cases of Mary and Kathija?




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Nandi, can you recommend her?




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Like Kimayana, why there has not been any "Gibal", "Kiran" etc. or Hemable, Hemakuran?




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Being a woman, that too so popular, how she could have forgotten those two Goddesses, ladies or angles or simply women?




Here comes the hypocrisy, scanning duplicity, feminist selectivity, women supporting womanizers and so on.














Conclusion


: After attending many meetings, seminars and conferences, particularly and carefully listening to feminists and later having discussion with them at the hall / auditorium and as well as in person, it is noted that in most of the cases, the women-speakers, female-activists, writers, and all types feminists have had the following experiences:













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Love-failure, at school, college or neighborhood levels.





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Pre-marital experiences from touching to sex levels affecting them psychologically after marriage or during intercourse with the present husband.





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Divorce, Second marriage with children with indifference of the second husband.





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Divorce, second marriage without children but husband living.





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Inter-caste marriage, clash of thinking, culture etc.





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Once being very orthodox, but now not-so due to above factors and as well as not willing to follow on economic grounds.





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Ideological differences among the educated, elite, and well-earning categories.












As they have crossed all levels, they are not bothered about anything and therefore, they have decided to talk and write anything, as long as they are allowed to do so with compensation. Particularly, the retired-women have been notorious in this aspect, as they play double-game – portraying as "saviors of women" outside but "torturing their aged husbands" at home! Many self-respect husbands do not tell openly or suppress the fact by not inviting friends to their houses, as they could not honour the friends even with water.












The same psyche is noted among the atheists. Early childhood influence, cinema-attraction, hero-worship, etc., make them to take shelter under the acts of "substitution" or "compensation" by admiring such "unsuccessful acts" getting fulfilled through their heroes. Even after the death of the personalities or ideologies, they are required for the cure of psychic disorders and diseases. But, when they come to public, they affect and spoil others going "abnormal" or to "extreme ends". Thus, the cases of political schizophrenia, ideological schizophrenia, atheist schizophrenia, feminist schizophrenia, secular schizophrenia etc., have been on increase day by day. Recent trend has been senile schizophrenia!












VEDAPRAKASH




13-07-2008.

















[1]







That Jains and Buddhist tried to reverse, change and modify the characters of Ramayana prove that Ramayana had been so popular that they tried to, imitate to attract the common masses.











[2]








Paula Richman (Ed.),  Many Ramayanas, University of California Press,  1991, USA.












[3]







Romila Thapar, The Ramayana Syndrome, Seminar No. 353, January 1989, in her response to mass viewership – 80 to 100 million for the TV-serial Ramayana started broadcast from January 1987.











[4]







The Chief Minister of Tamilnadu has been a vowed atheist heading the Hindu population of TN with a lot of temples. Last September 15, 2007, he asked such questions at erode during a political meeting.











[5]







Romila Tapar's two articles and the rejoinders may be referred to appearing here or elsehere.











[6]







Sowmya Aji Mehu,TNN, Ramayana gets a feminist twist, Times of India, 12 Aug 2005, 1006 hrs IST,











[7]







How it has to be assessed or judged?











[8]







How feminists , that too with all progressive, secular outlook have such things as "warding off…"?











[9]







So the "Dravidian gang" would produce it as "evidence"! T. R. Balu and Karunanidhi would be more happy, as they may tell this story and get away why it telling that Hema has already told such story!











[10]







Had Poor Pulavazhar Kuzhanthai been alive, he would have revised his "Ravana Kaviyam".











[11]







Secularists and all have to believe it or not? How the feminists, womanists etc., would take it?











[12]







When Ravana cutsher tongue, rapes her, makes her beauty-less etc, why "male-domination" is not noted?











[13]







Though in Indian context, there is no such text, like Apocryphal, still just to point out the difference, it is mentioned.











[14]







Remember "Fire", even that was used to beat only Hindus.











[15]







See last month newspapers or browse in the net for quick reference.







11. Francis X. Clooney
, Divine Mother, Blessed Mother – Hindu Goddesses and the Virgin May, Oxford
University Press, USA, 2005.











[17]






K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, From De Nobili to Clooney – The Christian Methods of Inculturation, A paper to be presented during the 12th session of Tamilnadu History Congress to be held at Mayildathurai on 30th September to 2nd October 2005.












[19]











Edward Carpenter, Pagan and Christian Creeds, Harcourt, Brace and Co., New York, 1920, pp.32-33.




John M. Robertson, Hindu Mythology and Christianity, Swati Publications, New Delhi, 1989.




C. F. Volney, The Ruins, or Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires and the Law of Nature, Truth Seeker Co., New York, 1890.











[20]











John M. Robertson, opt.cit, pp.319-320.



















[21]







K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, The British Approach to Witch-burning and Widow-burning, Proceedings volume of the south Indian history Congress, Bangalore, 2005, pp.247-252.





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KSV SUBRAMANIAN
14/07/2008 14:06:09
There is something fishy in all these things ?
I am really at a loss to understand why they single out hindu sacred books for vilification ? What kind of freedom of expression or faminism or whatever it may be is this ? Is it necessary to hurt the sentiments of others to proclaim you are something different or unusual ? Keep your feminism with you. Or let it loose on anybody or anything you want who are your willing partners? What hurt we the ordinary hindus who hold Ramayana and Rama very dear and sacred caused to you.

I fear, rather we fear, you are writing from your experience. A body and soul which haa come from filth and ugliness can only find filth and ugliness in anything and everything. Please remember, whether you call us fundamentalist or anything like that, scoundrels like you have no right to denigrate the revered icons of others. We too have a right, a right to protect our culture, our religious icons etc., from the barbarians. Pimps, prostitutes and brothelkeepers can search for other avenues to satisfy their sadistic and vicarious pleasure.
SeaLion
14/07/2008 04:51:39
Feminist Barbarity
Feminism, Communism, Nazism, nihlism, SICKULARISM,capitalism and barbarism have a common ancestor, Christianity, the mother of all barbaric, inhuman, savage gutter philosophies going around, (all coming from Neanderthal, drug crazed sex maniacal, savage West)
Feminism is a dark Satanic philosophy which has broken families, lives, and nations. The barbarism and savagery of Americans can be traced to twin evils of Christianity and Feminism, practiced by failed, gutter mentality women who want everything free of cost. No doubt in US it is called Feminazism and there is a STRONG RESISTANCE AGAINST IT. IN INDIA DESPITE THE TERRORISTIC DVA ACT THRUST DOWN OUR THROATS BY A WHITE, CHRISTIANIC, CATHOLIC ITALIAN (WESTERN AGAIN) "BARMAID" THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RESISTANCE TO ANYTHING.

No doubt I remeber the statement from EBONY (A Greek-Christian cult) " Jesus took 11 people and elevated them to higher dimension. Before that he prophecized that IN HIS NAME, THE PRINCE OF DARKNESS FROM DEPTHS OF HELL WOULD COME AND MAKE A KINGDOM (VATICAN), WHERE THE PRETENDER WOULD IN MY NAME DESTROY ENTIRE CULTURES ,IN THE NAME OF SERVICE TO GOD (IN REALITY TO RECRUIT PEOPLE IN SERVICE OF DARK FORCES OF SATAN = "CONVERSION")AND TRY TO FINALLY TAKE OVER THE PLANET"
Muthu
13/07/2008 20:42:57
Hemayana, a pot of gutter play
See these web sites.

http://www.smallbusiness.lk/edocs/showlink.asp?xi=332

There is a line like this
* From the translation of R.T.H.Griffith in Sanctaury of Hemayana.


Hemayana was published by
Vijitha Yapa Bookshop, a SriLankan Sinhala bookshop.

Applying deductive logic ,

There is R.T.H. Griffiths involved in this.

Here is the tranalation of R.T.H Griffith of Valmiki Ramayan

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/rama/index.htm

Please check all chapters and see if there is nathing matching with Memayana. The point is if Griffith has translated Valmiki Ramayana in toto then there is no ground to hold for this Hema Ramakrishna's translation. if there is nothing even from Griffith's work , then , it is a figment of imagination of Mema Ramakrishna. This always happens to educated women when their children are well settled in USA and husband working in Colombo.

I will be reading this translation.

Nobody grouses against Hema Ramakrishna for her literary activity, but hand weaving too much is too bad, to hurt people.

In one web site she says she is concerned with the environment.

Type in google Hema Ramakrishna and you will get the web site where she says that foresta are of great concern to her.

What a lady, Forests could inspire her to write gutter literature and plays.

If she is so concerned about forests , environment etc. she should like the great Vandana Shiva be in India or even in SriLanka and become an activist.

Just shooting from the hip will not do. Vandana Shiva is a true feminist , a lady who speaks with data, graphs and solid science.

If Hema Ramakrishna has got guts let her step into the arena to save the environment rather than induldge in plays and poetry of imbecility and nonsense.

My next post will be a comparision betweeen Father Periyar's barbarism and Ambedkar's decent struggle.
KSV SUBRAMANIAN
13/07/2008 12:00:28
The abuse give them a sadistic pleasure
What is the easy way to get publicity. You just abuse anything or anybody famous for cheap publicity. Streak stark naked in a busy public way. write some filth against anything most revered by a majority of the people.

With their diseased mind they get a sadistic pleasure in abusing anything held sacred by hindus. They know they won't be there if they do the same to other religions. So they chose their soft target. With the Congress, Communists and the so called secular media showing their anti-hindu traits, these filth writers/painters try to get as much publicity as possible. If they can extract some more publicity they can do any filthy and ugly thing in the public. They have already sold their body and soul for a few silver coins to the alien religions. Otherwise I do not see any reason their going hammer and tongs against hinduism, hindu religious icons, sacred books with their filth. They are not secular, for they have never opened their mouth,norused their pen or brush against other religions to expose such facts in them. The eke out a living by writing/painting obscenity and filth.


"It is not the non-Muslims but the so-called Muslims themselves, who have defamed and vilified their own simple, veracious and unfeigned religion which is said to be preaching peace on earth. They have themselves presented an ugly image of their God-fearing and simple religion before the world."

Swami Ram Tirth




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